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    Re: The sinking of the modern day Bounty
    From: Gary LaPook
    Date: 2014 Feb 16, 12:58 -0800
    News story today:

    "The 85-year-old cruise ship passenger died after 80 mph (130 kph) wind gusts kicked up giant waves in the English Channel on Friday afternoon, endangering safety in the crowded shipping lanes used by commercial vessels, cruise ships and pleasure craft. Cruise and Maritime Voyages said a "freak wave" broke five windows on its Marco Polo cruise ship, inundating the ship's Waldorf Restaurant.
    Spokesman Paul Foster said the man died before he could be airlifted for emergency treatment. The cause of death hasn't been determined, he said.
    The company said a second passenger was airlifted and is being treated for injuries not thought to be life-threatening. Another 14 passengers were treated on board for minor injuries, the company said.
    The Marco Polo was carrying 735 mostly British passengers and 349 crew members when the wave struck. It had been returning to its home port of London Tilbury after a 42-day cruise to the Azores."


    From: Gary LaPook <garylapook---.net>
    To: garylapook---.net
    Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:26 PM
    Subject: [NavList] Re: The sinking of the modern day Bounty

    Did the captain follow this standard hurricane avoidance advice?


    From: Sean C <yhshuh---.com>
    To: garylapook---.net
    Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 1:26 AM
    Subject: [NavList] Re: The sinking of the modern day Bounty

    Seems to me the captain of the Bounty could have benefited from the formula:
    arccos([vessel speed]/[storm speed])
    I was just (coincidentally) working through chapter 11 of "100 Problems". Example #11-3 states that we have "a storm building to our north" and "We want to stay well out of its way." Example #11-4 requires a solution to the relative motion problem which will give us maximum distance from the storm.
    And the 2002 ed. of Bowditch has this to say about storm avoidance:
    "The first action to take if the ship is within the cyclonic circulation is to determine the position of his vessel with respect to the storm center. While the vessel can still make considerable way through the water, a course should be selected to take it as far as possible from the center."
    I'm certainly no mariner, but every source I check seems to recommend getting as far away as possible, from any storm, in as little time as possible. I understand the captain's concern for the safety of his vessel while in port during a hurricane. But the moment concern for ones vessel outweighs concern for ones crew, I think a reevaluation of priorities is in order.
    Just my humble opinion.
    -Sean C.
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