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    Re: Wisconsin Maritime Museum
    From: Gary LaPook
    Date: 2009 Nov 10, 21:10 -0800

    When you were in Charleston you apparently missed visiting the most
    historic submarine of all, the CSS Hunley which was the first
    submarine to sink an enemy ship, the USS Housatonic in 1864. I saw it
    last year.
    The Silversides was forced to leave Navy Pier when the its supporting
    group couldn't raise the money to pay the dockage fees.
    On Nov 10, 7:08�pm,  wrote:
    > Gary, you wrote:
    > "I was in Manitowoc on business about ten years ago and I went to the 
    maritime museum and visited the submarine."
    > If you're up that way again, it may be worth a re-visit. Apparently the 
    museum was significantly expanded just a few years ago. Did they have the 
    little navigation exhibit when you were last there? The error I mentioned is 
    rather funny. There's a pelorus on display and the signage says "the polaris 
    was used to find latitude". Obviously something got lost in translation.
    > And:
    > "Since we both lived in Chicago Frank, I am sure we both went aboard the 
    Silversides SS-236 many times when it was tied up to Navy Pier (it is now in 
    Muskegon, MI,) and of course you visited the U-505 as I have many times since 
    I was a kid. I remember my father taking me down to the beach in 1954 to 
    watch the sub being hauled out of Lake Michigan and across the Outer Drive to 
    be placed next to the Museum of Science and Industry. "
    > Very nice! Did you know they moved U-505 indoors? As for Silversides, I 
    missed it by a year in Chicago. Apparently the Navy took it away from the 
    group that was managing it here in Chicago. I did not lay eyes on it until 
    about six weeks ago when I visited it in Muskegon. They have a small museum 
    there, and they do a lot of good local outreach, but it's not worth a 
    separate trip. You recommended visiting USS Pampanito. It's high on my "to 
    see" list. It's supposed to be in very fine condition. They've apparently 
    recently restored the electro-mechanical computer to working order.
    > And you wrote:
    > "In Long Beach visit the Scorpion Russian submarine moored next to the Queen 
    Mary. It is amazing the contrast in the size of these two vessels."
    > Yeah, I bet it is. Most submarines are really quite small, and calling them 
    boats does seem fitting. By the way, there's a recent addition to the museum 
    sub fleet out there in California. The Navy research submarine USS Dolphin is 
    now on display (along with another Russian sub) in San Diego.
    > Since I don't seem to be annoying too many people yet with my submarine 
    tales, I'll add a list of all the subs on display in the US and Canada with 
    my "grade" for the subs I've visited this year (in order):
    > USS Cod, Cleveland, OH, "A+" for the sub and its beautiful presentation, but 
    "B+" for the lack of any museum to support it.
    > USS Croaker, Buffalo, NY, "B-". It's in rather bad shape and it appears that 
    the museum is over-extended.
    > USS Lionfish, Fall River, MA, "B". A number of other vessels here including USS Massachusetts.
    > USS Nautilus, Groton, CT, "A-". Historically without par, and the museum is 
    terrific, but the display of the sub is somewhat mediocre and burdened by 
    plexiglass barriers.
    > USS Albacore, Portsmouth, NH, "B+". On land. A unique Navy research submarine.
    > USS Growler, New York, NY, "B+". Beautiful, interesting boat. Hordes of 
    visitors. USS Intrepid is here, too, along with lots of aircraft including an 
    SR-71 and a Concorde.
    > USS Becuna, Philadelphia, PA, "B". The sub would not be worth a visit by 
    itself but with the amazing USS Olympia alongside and USS New Jersey right 
    across the river, it's worth the trip.
    > USS Clamagore, Charleston, SC, "C". It's a unique "Guppy III" submarine, but 
    it's not well presented and it's literally rusting to pieces. May be 
    scrapped. The carrier USS Yorktown is here, too.
    > USS Cobia, Manitowoc, WI, "A". Great sub. Great museum.
    > USS Silversides, Muskegon, MI, "B+". See above.
    > USS Requin, Pittsburgh, PA, "B-". The sub is not bad, but the interpretation 
    is mediocre. Displayed by the Carnegie Science Museum.
    > USS Torsk, Baltimore, MD, "B-". The sub is undergoing continuing restoration 
    work but they have a long way to go. Interpretation is mediocre.
    > USS Ling, Hackensack, NJ, "C+". The submarine is very nice, but the museum 
    is poor. Clearly these folks have made an effort to stay under the radar. 
    Unfortunately they succeeded all too well, and the sub may be scrapped.
    > U-505, Chicago, IL, "A". A unique German u-boot in a fine setting. I've 
    always been underwhelmed by the Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago, but 
    the submarine is wonderful.
    > And the submarines I have not yet seen...
    > USS Drum, Mobile, AL. On land.
    > USS Cavalla, Galveston, TX. On land.
    > USS Bowfin, Pearl Harbor, HI
    > USS Batfish, Muskogee, OK. On land.
    > USS Pampanito, San Francisco, CA
    > USS Razorback, Little Rock, AR. A recent arrival formerly in the Turkish navy.
    > USS Blueback, Portland, OR
    > USS Dolphin, San Diego, CA. Open to the public in 2009.
    > USS Marlin, Omaha, NE. On land, not presently open to the public.
    > B-39, San Diego, CA. Russian.
    > B-427, Long Beach, CA. Russian.
    > HMCS Onondaga, Rimouski, QC, Canada. Opened to the public in 2009.
    > There was another Russian sub in Providence, RI for a few years. It sank. 
    Scrapping began in August, 2009. There are dozens of other submarines on 
    display around the world including three former US Navy subs on display in 
    Turkey. The list above covers only the ones in the US and Canada.
    > -FER
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