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Re: What do "d" and "v" really stand for?
From: Greg R_
Date: 2008 Jun 19, 23:07 -0700
From: Greg R_
Date: 2008 Jun 19, 23:07 -0700
Correct - the "d" and "v" corrections (among other things) were new items that I had to learn when I picked up celnav again a couple of years ago and decided to join the rest of the nautical world in using the Nautical Almanac. -- GregR --- glapook@pacbell.net wrote: > > Except that there are no "v" or "d" corrections with the Air Almanac > since the period between tabulated data is only ten minutes and, to > the accuracy of that almanac and in flight CN, there is no loss by > ignoring such slight changes for such a short interpolation period. > > gl > > On Jun 19, 11:52 pm, "Greg R."wrote: > > --- glap...@pacbell.net wrote: > > > "v, the difference between the actual change in GHA in one hour > and a > > > constant value used in the interpolation tables; and d, the > change in > > > declination in one hour." > > > > Right, those tell what "v" and "d" are (and like I think anyone > who's > > reduced sights manually would know what they are) - but my original > > question was what actual words the letters are abbreviations for. > > > > BTW, I originally learned celnav with the Air Almanac (way back in > the > > mid-70s - at the time it looked "easier" than using the Nautical > > version), but I'd be totally lost if I had to use it now... ;-) > > > > -- > > GregR > > > > --- glap...@pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > Look at article 1903 in Bowditch, available here: > > > > > http://www.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/APN/Chapt-19.pdf > > > > > > > > > "v, the difference between the actual change in GHA in one hour > and a > > > constant value used in the interpolation tables; and d, the > change in > > > declination in one hour." > > > > > gl > > > > > On Jun 19, 10:41 pm, glap...@pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Here are excerpts from the 1937 N.A The first page shows the > time > > > of > > > > transit of the moon of the Greenwich meridian and contains a > "Var. > > > per > > > > hour" column, variation?, the change in declination inone > hour." > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/fredienoonan/almanac-1937-136.JPG > > > > > > The second page contains moon data showing GHA and DEC and has > > > > separate increments tables for each day based on the the dec > change > > > > and GHA change rates for that particular day. no "v" or "d" > > > correction > > > > factors are shown. > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/fredienoonan/almanac.html > > > > > > This third link takes you to a site I put up with with excerpts > of > > > > various navigation texts. > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/fredienoonan/ > > > > > > gl > > > > > > On Jun 19, 9:00 pm, frankr...@HistoricalAtlas.net wrote: > > > > > > > Greg, you asked: > > > > > "And maybe that's going to be about as good an answer as we > can > > > hope for > > > > > at this point in time - does anyone know when "d" and "v" > terms > > > first > > > > > showed up in the NA as such? There might be more elaboration > > > about what > > > > > the abbreviations stood for when they were first introduced." > > > > > > > Yes, that's basically what I was providing you in the > previous > > > message. The > > > > > labels "v" and "d" first appear in the "Abridged Nautical > > > Almanac" in 1952. > > > > > This is the earliest date when the official British almanac > > > included GHA. > > > > > This had been introduced 18 years earlier in the American > > > Nautical Almanac, > > > > > and it was also widely used in the various air almanacs. As I > > > said, the > > > > > concept of the interpolation constant at the foot of each > column > > > on the > > > > > almanac page was already present in the American almanac > where it > > > was called > > > > > a "code". I also checked a couple of commercial British > almanacs > > > from this > > > > > period (the commercial British almanacs adopted GHA well > before > > > the official > > > > > British almanac). They use a similar principle but again not > > > labeled v and > > > > > d. So my best guess right now is that the first use of these > > > specific labels > > > > > for the interpolation data is the British "Abridged Nautical > > > Almanac" in > > > > > 1952. Here's the full text from the explanation in the AbNA > for > > > 1953: > > > > > "Interpolation between the tabulated hourly values is > provided > > > for by > > > > > comprehensive interpolation tables, printed on coloured pages > at > > > the end of > > > > > the book, giving for every minute and every second the > increments > > > of G.H.A. > > > > > corresponding to the mean rate of increase for the Sun (15� > > > precisely), the > > > > > constant rate for Aries (15� 02'.46) and the minimum rate for > the > > > Moon (14� > > > > > 19'.0). The variations from the means are so small for the > Sun > > > that they > > > > > have been deliberately ignored; the tabulated hourly values > of > > > the Sun's > > > > > G.H.A. have been adjusted so that the error thus caused is a > > > minimum. These > > > > > variations cannot be ignored for the planets or for the Moon, > and > > > > > corrections have to be made for the excess (v) in hourly > motion > > > over that > > > > > adopted in the main interpolation tables." > > > > > > > So there's an answer: v stands for "excess". :-) > > > > > > > In the next paragraph: > > > > > "The corrections for these VARIATIONS [...] are taken > directly > > > from the > > > > > interpolation tables with argument v" and "A similar > procedure is > > > used to > > > > > interpolate the declinations of the Sun, Moon and planets; > here > > > d, the > > > > > hourly DIFFERENCE, is given without sign on the daily pages" > (I > > > have > > > > > capitalized those two words for emphasis). So if you must > assign > > > a meaning > > > > > to v and d, I think the best bets are "variation" (of the > rate of > > > change of > > > > > GHA from the selected mean rate) and "difference," but the > catch > > > is that the > > > > > person who wrote this explanatory section may very well have > > > invented those > > > > > origins on the spot. > > > > > > > By 1958, when the modern Nautical Almanac was formed by the > > > merger of the > > > > > American Nautical Almanac and the Abridged Nautical Almanac > (they > > > kept their > > > > > separate names until 1960), the explanation simply refers to > v > > > and d values > > > > > with no hint of any etymology. Same in Bowditch of the same > era. > > > I think > > > > > this is intentional. The labels v and d really are not > intended > > > to "stand > > > > > for" anything. > > > > > > > -FER > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---