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    Re: What can I do?
    From: Robert Gainer
    Date: 2006 May 21, 20:57 -0400

    It?s not very simple. The list is the people who participate in it. And 
    because of that there is an ever so slight difference between the two lists. 
    One, the new one is more public and found by people just starting out. It is 
    easer to find that list because it sits were people are looking for the list, 
    on a search engine that encourages people to search for there hobbies or 
    interests. Is this bad? I am not sure, but it does bring the specter of 
    suppressing some of the traditional conversation at the expense of having a 
    greater participation from a wider audience.
    The old list is, and this is just my thoughts in trying to answer the 
    question, populated by math and science minds and sees less of the end user 
    in navigation. It is not marketed and is hard to find unless you have had 
    some exposure to the subject already. The beginner tends not to be on this 
    list. The down side to this is that the list depends for its personality on 
    just a few people and it can disappear like any low volume population with a 
    minor change to the environment. Sounds like a microcosm of the real word 
    doesn?t it.
    I have joined the other list and still I find things on this one and I can?t 
    give you a sound rational reason to resist the change. Frank has made a spam 
    proof identity for me on the new list and spam was my only articulated reason 
    to not join the new list. At this point I think the end is in sight and I am 
    just hanging out to see who has the last word on the old list and then turn 
    out the lights when I leave. It has become a group watching a building, a 
    landmark building, burn to the ground and wondering why the fire department 
    couldn?t save it.
    Good luck and all the best,
    Robert Gainer
    > From: Philip Lange 
    > Date: 2006/05/21 Sun PM 07:14:54 EDT
    > Subject: Re: What can I do?
    > Am I missing something here?
    > I thought the Navigation list was the people who participated in it.
    > As I see it we people are  simply using a different server and address,
    > which of course necessitates a modification to the lists name. The reason,
    > if I understand it correctly, is because of  reliability issues that could
    > not be corrected with the original server.  If I am in error, please
    > explain to me what is going out of existence, and why should try to save
    > what was demonstrably shown to be broken and unable to be repaired.
    > And also please tell me, if some one steps in to save it,  the benefit of
    > having two Nav lists.
    > It would appear to me that some are confusing the cart for the cargo. But
    > then I could be wrong.
    > Philip
    > At 06:26 PM 5/21/2006, Peter Fogg wrote:
    > > > Alexandre wrote:
    > > > Speaking of the Nav-L list, what can I do but to enjoy
    > > > the last days of its existence?
    > > > Unfortunately I can do nothing to save it.
    > >
    > >All you would have to do is take on the nominal manager's role. Can't be
    > >harder than becoming a professor of mathematics. GregR has already offered
    > >technical assistance.
    > Philip & Marilyn Lange
    >     AE4OV & KD4JRC,
    >       ORYOKI
    > Witness 35 Catamaran

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