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    Re: What can I do?
    From: Frank Reed CT
    Date: 2006 May 21, 22:32 EDT

    You wrote:
    "I thought the Navigation list was the people who participated in it.  "
    I agree completely. The tricky part is convincing people that we all agree
    that this is the case. It means you have to bend over backwards to answer every
     concern. Otherwise, the group will splinter, and then we end up with the
    outcome  that nobody wants.
    "As I see it we people are  simply using a different server and  address,
    which of course necessitates a modification to the lists name."
    There are a few other details which are very important to some people, and
    we need to make sure that nothing valuable gets lost in the transition. Since I
     created the google list, I feel I have a responsibility to answer  those
    concerns, but please feel free to contribute in any way you see fit.  This is a
    group project...
    By the way, it's also worth emphasizing that this list has moved before. It
    hasn't been called Navigation-L forever. The original list name was just
    "navigation" and the listserv address was on ronin.com. The "common" name for  the
    list was the "Navigation Mailing List". I've been trying to get in the habit
    of refering to this list as the "Navigation List" so that we don't
    unnecessarily  develop loyalties to meaningless net names like "NavList" (which can be
    changed  anyway).
    "The reason, if I understand it correctly, is because of  reliability  issues
    that could not be corrected with the original server.  If I am in  error,
    please explain to me what is going out of existence, and why should try  to save
    what was demonstrably shown to be broken and unable to be  repaired."
    Some list members have argued that 'nothing is perfect'. All lists have
    problems. And they're quite right up to a point. It's a matter of degree. The
    problems on Navigation-L (as served from webkahuna) to me seem far greater than
    they should be. But then again, I've had a lot of experience with lists, so I
    know that this is not normal. For folks who have only known Navigation-L, the
     problems are "normal" more or less by definition.
    "It would appear to me that some are confusing the cart for the cargo. But
    then I could be wrong."
    I think you're right, but this is basically an education issue. For  example,
    a number of list members are quite worried about the archive  maintained on
    i-DEADLINK-com. They see this as the cargo --the real list-- when it is  nothing of
    the sort. It's not connected with the list in any formal way, but  they don't
    see that yet... So we keep talking and teaching and maybe  eventually they'll
    understand. Or maybe not! :-)
    42.0N 87.7W,  or 41.4N 72.1W.

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