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From: Irv Haworth
Date: 2010 Jan 30, 18:25 -0800
Trevor Bell
A few questions and a few comments follow:
I strongly suspect that researching official records will
greatly quench your thirst in forming the conclusion that German raiders were
at the ready …meaning at Rangitane’s ETA on 27 Nov,1940. ( and thus knew
intended position).
From:
navlist-bounce@fer3.com [mailto:navlist-bounce@fer3.com] On Behalf
Of Trevor Bell
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:35 PM
To: NavList@fer3.com
Subject: [NavList] Wartime (WW2) navigation
I am researching the sinking of the RMS Rangitane in WW2 300 miles off New
Zealand on her way to the UK via Panama. I have established that she was about
50nm off a whole circle course after about 45 hours having sailed 420nm of the
1500nm to her first pre-arranged waypoint. How
did you establish this 50 NM error? Which side of the intended track ?I am trying to establish
whether being off course (what was her intended
course (great circle or plane sailing)and how do you know ?) could have
been the result of normal navigation error. One
could say yes but then again could be due to poor helmsman ship, and/or
possibly several factors. (I believe nothing to this effect was determined by
the subsequent enquiry?)
I know that the weather at the time was not good - overcast skies and rain for
much of the time. I have learnt a little bit about old fashioned (pre-GPS)
navigation and would like to test out some conclusions on you learned guys.
1. I have been advised that under normal wartime conditions of radio silence
( not sure where this fits in as chronometers were
used for keeping “accurate” time.)and out of sight of land an accuracy
of about 2 arc minutes or 2 nm was routinely achievable with celestial
navigation on a large ship. Depended on navigator ,
his assistant –recording time from the deck watch-But with constant
cloud cover, I assume that a position could only be estimated from bearing( read compass course) , log, knowledge of
currents and leeway extremely unlikely in ocean
currents , etc.
2. Compass error could be as much as one degree - about 7nm in 420nm from poor
steering and calibration. Without becoming too long
winded let us just say his positional error (for this factor only ) could be +
- 4 NM yielding a circle of position EP (estimated position) whose radius is
4NM.
3. Errors from a poorly calibrated log could be as much as 5% - 23nm after 45
hours. Do you know that the vessel carried a
taffrail log or more importantly was it in use ? ( Taffrail logs were prone to
shark attacks, fouling and the like. Depending on the sea conditions engine rpm
was as good a measure as say a log in determining speed made good (distance
with time factor)
4. Errors from a mid ocean 1kt current could be as much as 42nm but I
understand that this would have been automatically compensated for by the
navigator. Ocean currents are neither constant in
direction or speed (set and drift) . I would suggest you see a PILOT CHART for South
Pacific –November (year does not matter) I could look this up for you but
since you are going to play with so many variables you might as well jot your
thoughts down on this chart.
5. I do not know how much windage would have affected a 16,000 ton ship. As noted above I respectfully suggest you study the
pilot chart first , (unless you happen to have the ships log) . Unless the
vessel was caught in a very strong blow , I would not spend too much time
working on this aspect. (The calculation is a simple one for your guesstimates
.)
If all these factors were cumulative then I assume that 50nm deviation after
45 hours might have been possible, yet many people have told me that it is
highly unlikely.( Listen to your friends, you might
win some lotto but you ,at best, are only able to calc. the odds at winning)
But I need to explore one further possibility but my maths isn't up to it:
I understand that there are two fundamental ways to navigate between two points
- whole circle (called a GC or Great circle)and
Mercator and I think I understand the relative benefits. But how do I calculate
the difference in track after 45 hours using the two different methods? Can
anybody point me to some software which might help?
If your math is wanting I suggest you consider “acquiring” say an old (meaning
used) hand held calculator with built in navigational routines . My favourite
is the HP 41CX (Hewlett=Packard) with the navigational pack. It will do a great
job for your tasks at hand. In the alternative there is website devoted to HP
calculators that includes different modules..one being the nav. pac. (You see
the 41CX on the monitor and use your mouse to get going…you are also able to
download the manual. ) If the study of nav. interests you, perhaps you may
want to invest in a nav program. Aside from my 41CX pgr I use Coastal
Explorer (more than enough for you I suspect and finally Star Pilot.
but this is rally for use in celestial nav.
Hope
I have not been too critical , but my intention is simply to give you some food
for thought. No doubt others , far brighter than I , will provide you with ,
hopefully. more useful information. Sorry to conclude by saying I have written
this is haste, which may encourage others to help out.
Best
of luck.
IFH
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