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    Re: Venus in daylight this month
    From: Doug Faunt
    Date: 2020 Jul 15, 11:34 -0700
    Ah, I just mentioned this yesterday in another group.
    Many non-american hams write dates as day in Arabic numerals, month next in Roman numerals, and then year in Arabic numerals.  It's a pretty universally understandable format.

    US date order, 12 hour time, the Imperial measurement system, US coinage and notes, are idiocies I rant about.  And I've added the use of the 1 cent coin and Zone Time for navigation.
    73, Doug

    On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 11:16 Frank Reed <NoReply_FrankReed@fer3.com> wrote:

    David C, you wrote:
    "I am not aware of a 14th month in the year!!"

    The purely numerical formats for month, day, and year (or some permutation of those three!) will inevitably confuse someone... What happened on 03/01/11?? We can't know without a key. I learned long ago that the safest date format specifies the month with a letter or three. My preferred date format: 15 jul 2020. That works, right? I also like the format 18 Brumaire VIII

    While we're here, what do you all (internationally) call 24-hour time? Do you have a name for it? Anything more creative than "24-hour time"? Americans often refer to this as "military time," which I think is unfortunate. And when someone looks at my phone and say, "Ooo, look at you... keeping 'military time' ", I roll my eyes and try to appeal to their inner europhily and explain to them that it's "European railroad time". For the right audience (the europhiles), that's a big selling point! Ha ha. :) 

    Regardless of the name, how many of you have your normal time settings on phones and computers set up to display the time on the 24-hour cycle? Lots of you, right? I have had all of my devices formatted on 24-hour time for as long as I can remember. It has become easier for me that way. And it saves me the panic attack when I fall asleep in the evening after a long day and wake up at, let's say, 8:00pm mistakenly thinking it's 8:00am. 

    Finally, what is this "dawn" that you all talk about? I understand that the Sun goes down, and then the day's work begins, eventually followed by sleep. But clearly the idea of sunrise and dawn is just a silly legend, a superstition, a myth. Perhaps followers of Ptolemaic cosmology imagine that the epicycles must align symmetricly, so that the abstraction of sunrise matches the observed reality of sunset. But surely modern science has abandoned such folly. Sunrise is an unobservable figment of the imagination, a purely mathematical construct.

    Frank Reed
    Clockwork Mapping / ReedNavigation.com
    Conanicut Island USA

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