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    Re: Tycho Brahe Mars oppositions
    From: George Huxtable
    Date: 2004 Nov 30, 21:01 +0000

    Omar Reis quoted a message he received, as follows-
    
    >P.S. Message from the amateur astronomy newsgroup:
    >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    >Pannekoek's table appears to employ the Julian calendar. The first
    >opposition listed, for the year 1580, was the only one that occurred
    >before the Gregorian reform was implemented in Catholic countries.
    >
    >The times shown are for a time zone 10 hours *ahead* of UT (GMT).
    >Subtracting 10 hours from each entry (being sure to roll back the
    >date by one if the result is less than zero) will give you the UT
    >Julian calendar dates/times.
    >
    >Incidentally, Jean Meeus lists every Mars opposition for the years
    >0 - 3000 in his book _Astronomical Tables of the Sun, Moon, and Planets_
    >(second edition), 1995, pp. 62 - 96.
    >
    >Mark Gingrich - San Leandro, California
    >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    
    The "time-zone" references of this message surprise me somewhat.
    
    Time zones were NOT in use in that period. Instead, observations will
    presumably have been related to the apparent local time of the observer.
    There's no need for a time-difference from UT to be a whole number of
    hours.
    
    From the longitudes of Tycho's observatories at Hveen and near Prague, I
    would expect times there to be roughly 45-50 minutes ahead of time at
    Greenwich. Then, presumably, you have to account for the use of the
    Astronomical Day, which at Greenwich was 12 hours later than Greenwich
    Civil Time (effectively modern UT). Can anyone explain the reference in
    that message to "a time zone 10 hours ahead of UT"? What's it based on? I
    suggest that Omar takes it with some caution.
    
    I am rather surprised that problems with the value of delta-T are worrying
    Omar. Sure, Omar can calculate the moment of opposition with great
    accuracy. But could Tycho observe it to any great accuracy? It would
    involve measuring RA's and decs, of Mars, on successive nights, and of the
    Sun in the days, and then converting to ecliptic coordinates and
    interpolating. I doubt if he could measure to much better than 1 arc-minute
    or so. Anyone know different?
    
    If Omar is trying to check the precision of his predictions for early
    dates, I wonder if the timing of oppositions is the best way to go about
    it, because these are not sudden events identifiable to an exact time. Are
    eclipse timings available from that era, for testing? Of course, at that
    date, before pendulums, clocks were untrustworthy, which bedevils almost
    everything.
    
    George.
    
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    Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.
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