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Re: Transliteration [was Mid XIX century Nav]
From: Lu Abel
Date: 2005 Nov 22, 08:28 -0800
From: Lu Abel
Date: 2005 Nov 22, 08:28 -0800
Now that Frank has given it a shot (and Frank's is always one of the best on any topic), I'll timorously add some minor comments: One of the problems in transliterating words from one language to another language's alphabet is representing sounds in one language that have no correspondence in the other language. Some examples: 1. Japanese have trouble distinguishing between the western L and R because their R sound is pronounced not with the tongue at the back of the mouth as with the western sound, but with it forward like the western L. It's one would roll an R imitating a Scottish accent, but without the roll. 2. Many people who do not have English as their first language have trouble with its Th and W sounds, which few other languages have. On the other hand, a host of languages ranging from German to Hebrew have a sharp Ch sound and other gutturals that English doesn't have. 3. I rather strongly suspect that some of the troubles transliterating into and back from Russian have the same cause. Lu Abel Frank Reed wrote: > Fred, you wrote: > "Chinese and Japanese are also tonal languages, which cannot be > conveyed by our alphabet." > > To represent (putonghua) Chinese with the western alphabet requires only > four little accent markers to accomodate those tones. You are correct that these > are technically additions to the alphabet, but it's really not difficult. In > theory, that is. The process of *learning* these tones can be arduous, but > writing them and recognizing them in print is easy and an accurate > representation of the spoken language --so accurate that these systems are used and > taught by many Chinese people. By contrast, the Chinese written language carries > almost no information about pronunciation. > > Japanese, by the way, is not tonal, and it can be written very easily with a > subset of the western alphabet. > > Sorry for being off-topic. > > -FER > 42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N 72.1W. > www.HistoricalAtlas.com/lunars > >