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    Re: Today's octant sights
    From: Andrés Ruiz
    Date: 2010 Mar 18, 11:44 +0100

    Dear Peter,

    My results are:

    B[0-90][+N/-S]   L[0-180][+E/-W]

    (41.715819121272141, -87.932112517443386)    ( 41º 42.9' -87º 55.9')     LopLSSR = 0

    (41.715819121272148, -87.932112517443755)    ( 41º 42.9' -87º 55.9')     KaplanSR_Bm = 0

     

    DeWit/USNO Nautical Almanac/Compac Data, Least squares algorithm for n LOPs

     

    GHA     DEC    HO     BO     LO     LHA    HC     Z      p

    50.2093      -1.2202      35.1819      41.9600      -87.6350     322.5743     35.1810      131.9796       0.0009

    50.8553      -1.2195      35.5656      41.9600      -87.6350     323.2203     35.5369      132.6404       0.0287

    51.3387      -1.2190      35.8158      41.9600      -87.6350     323.7037     35.8007      133.1389       0.0151

    51.8722      -1.2184      36.0493      41.9600      -87.6350     324.2372     36.0893      133.6929       -0.0400

    52.4140      -1.2178      36.3829      41.9600      -87.6350     324.7790     36.3797      134.2597       0.0032

    52.8724      -1.2173      36.6331      41.9600      -87.6350     325.2374     36.6233      134.7427       0.0098

    53.3933      -1.2167      36.9166      41.9600      -87.6350     325.7583     36.8976      135.2953       0.0190

    53.7559      -1.2163      37.1502      41.9600      -87.6350     326.1209     37.0870      135.6823       0.0632

    54.3727      -1.2156      37.4003      41.9600      -87.6350     326.7377     37.4061      136.3452       -0.0057

    54.8061      -1.2151      37.6672      41.9600      -87.6350     327.1711     37.6280      136.8144       0.0392

     

     

    Estimate position at time of fix:

    Befix [deg] = 41.9600

    Lefix [deg] = -87.6350

     

    Least Squares information:

    nObservations = 10

    AA = 4.9057

    BB = -4.9920

    CC = 5.0943

    DD = -0.0950

    EE = 0.0935

    FF = 0.0087

    G = 0.0706

     

    Error:

    S = 0.0062

    sigma = 1.6734 nm

    sigmaB = 13.9479

    sigmaL = 14.2134

     

    Ellipse:

    Prob = 0.9500

    k = 2.4477

    theta = 44.4592

    a = 48.7271

    b = 1.2957

     

    Improved position at time of fix:

    dB [deg] = -0.2442

    dL [deg] = -0.2971

    DO [deg] = 19.7579 nm

    BI [deg] = 41.7158

    LI [deg] = -87.9321

     

    iteraciones = 1

     

    The input file for the program is attached.

     

    In your fortran program the transformation from Cartesian coordinates is wrong, and the result you obtained is false.

    See at my website my the paper: “Celestial Fix - 2 LoP analytic solution”

    Could you correct the program and give us the result?

     

    Regards.

    ---

    Andrés Ruiz

    Navigational Algorithms

    https://sites.google.com/site/navigationalalgorithms/

     


    De: navlist-bounce@fer3.com [mailto:navlist-bounce@fer3.com] En nombre de P H
    Enviado el: jueves, 18 de marzo de 2010 2:35
    Para: NavList@fer3.com
    Asunto: [NavList] Re: Today's octant sights

     

    Thank you for this data set, Frank.  I dug up my old rapid-fire-fix Fortran program, finally addressed a little detail in it and, lo and behold, my "error bars" became much smaller than before.  As I suspected last year, the results are indeed better than my "old" standard deviations would allow.  For your data set I calculate:

    Latitude:       N  41 deg  57.4'   +/- 11.8'
    Longitude:   W  87 deg  43.1'   +/- 16.0'

    This result differs from your actual location by S 0.2' in latitude, and W 5.0' in longitude.

    @Antoine:
    The source code and input file are attached.  The program calculates the crossings of all possible LOP pairs.  Then it calculates the average latitude and longitude, and the associated standard deviations.

    Even in this case the "error bars" still appear to be unnecessarily large.  Suggestions of a more appropriate statistical procedure would be welcome.


    Peter Hakel

     


    From: Frank Reed <FrankReed@HistoricalAtlas.com>
    To: NavList@fer3.com
    Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 2:32:01 PM
    Subject: [NavList] Today's octant sights

    Here are the Sun sights I took with an old ebony octant c.1840 this morning on the shore of Lake Michigan:

    10:29:00 35-00
    10:31:35 35-23
    10:33:31 35-38
    10:35:39 35-52
    10:37:49 36-12
    10:39:39 36-27
    10:41:44 36-44
    10:43:11 36-58
    10:45:39 37-13
    10:47:23 37-29

    Times are CDT. The "watch" was 10 seconds slow, so add 05:00:10 to get to GMT. These are all Sun LL (35-00 means 35 deg 00'). Index correction was 0 since those old octants were supposed to be zeroed out every time. Height of eye was 16 feet above Lake Michigan, weather conditions near standard, and the actual location was 41d 57.6N, 87d 38.1W. The horizon was a little vague. By my reductions, the mean error in the sights is about 1 minute of arc and the standard deviation is about 1 minute of arc. Pretty good considering that this is a normal octant with no telescope and a discolored vernier that I really have to squint at to read.

    "Rapid-fire" fix anyone?

    -FER

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