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    Re: Titanic's last stars
    From: Brad Morris
    Date: 2019 May 2, 09:43 -0400
    Geoff

    I stand corrected.  

    I did not remember Paul's post from 2012, nor any of its details.  I theorized in my second post that testimony from Boxhall would clarify but little did I know that work was already done.  Well done Paul.

    As to working out which stars, I count 17 stars on the USNO data, between 20° and 65° Hc.  Not all stars are equal.  Stars too low would suffer from refraction errors and would likely be avoided.  Stars too high suffer from awkward measurement and would likely be avoided.  

    Brad





    On Thu, May 2, 2019, 3:17 AM Geoff Hitchcox <NoReply_Hitchcox@fer3.com> wrote:

    Greg Rudzinski wrote:

    "A time sight of Arcturus combined with a latitude by Polaris would have been part of the twilight star observation set."

    Thank you Greg, as a CN "newbie" here - I appreciate such sage advice.

    This morning I wondered how accurate would a DR be, using a Traverse Table.

    A "flat earth" land surveyor can use them over short distances, but what about going "over the horizon" at sea I wondered.

    So back to the Titanic and some fun with numbers.

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    Experiment: Find the Iceberg !

    Compare a DR between a Traverse Table and Rhumb Maths.

    41:51:54" N, 047:52:18" W  (Geoff's location for Titanic C.N. fix)

    Now determine location of Iceberg:

    Course = 266 Degrees, Distance = 91.74 NM

    Using Traverse Tables:

    Distance to nearest NM = 92 NM
    From Traverse Table, D.Lat = 6.4'
    Dep = 91.8
    From 42 Degree Page of Traverse Table, Dep of 91.8 -> D.Lon = 124'

    Add 124' to  47:52:18" W
    Longitude =  49:56:18" W

    Subtract 6.4'from 41:51:54" N
    Subtract           0:06:24"
    Latitude =        41:45:30" N

    41:45:30" N, 49:56:18 W = Iceberg location using Traverse Table
    41:45:30" N, 49:55:00 W = Iceberg location using Rhumb Maths [1]
    41:45:30" N, 49:55:00 W = GPS referenced Iceberg allision [2]

    Delta between Traverse Table and Rhumb Nav = 0.97 NM !
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    [1] Rhumb Calculator:
    http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong-nomodule.html

    [2] Collision Point by Samuel Halpern, July 2007
    http://www.glts.org/articles/halpern/collision_point.html
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    My use of the term Allision:

    From the English Oxford Dictionary:
    1843   Merchants' Mag. Dec. 543   The term allision applies to the act
    of one vessel striking against another; and the term collision, to the
    act of two vessels striking together.

    An Allision With An Iceberg
    http://www.titanicology.com/AnAllisionEvent.html
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    Brad Morris wrote:

    "The navigation officers on the Titanic did not use any stars, unless you count the Sun as a star."

    Brad, here are relevant quotes selected by Paul Hirose, with the day number of the U.S. Inquiry into the Titanic sinking at the end of each quote.

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    "When you take stars you always endeavor, as they did that night, to
    take a set of stars. One position checks another. You take two stars for
    latitude, and two for longitude, one star north and one star south,
    one star east and one star west. If you find a big difference between
    eastern and western stars, you know there is a mistake somewhere. If
    there is a difference between these two latitude stars you know there is
    a mistake somewhere. But, as it happened, I think I worked out three
    stars for latitude and I think I worked out three stars for longitude."
    Boxhall, US Day 10.

    "Capt. Rostron said it was a very, very good position. After I had
    worked these observations of Mr. Lightoller's I was taking star bearings
    for compass error for myself, and was working those out. That is what
    kept me in the chart room most of the time. I was making computations
    most of the time." Boxhall, U.S. Day  10

    "Yes; we took stellar observations and also observations for compass
    deviation... No, sir; I did not take the stellar observations myself. I
    took the time for them, and Mr. Lightoller himself took the
    observations of the body... We just took a set of them at sunset, or
    just as it was getting dusk, when the stars were visible. It was about
    6 or 8 o'clock that we took them... After that I started working out
    the observations... in the chart room; in the chart house... I was
    there alone until 8 o'clock... I did not finish them. Mr. Boxhall took
    on then and finished  them." Pitman, U.S. Day 4.

    https://www.titanicinquiry.org/
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Regards, Geoff Hitchcox, Christchurch, NZ

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