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    Timing Error in Sights
    From: Fred Hebard
    Date: 2003 Feb 2, 20:25 -0500

    I have been wrestling with a problem similar to what beset Arthur
    Pearson in his Grenadine lunars, namely that the precision of my
    sights has been higher than their accuracy, implying the existence of
    a systematic error.  This problem became evident after upgrading from
    a Davis Mark 3 to a Husun Mate sextant,
    
    All the sights were taken on dry land, using an artificial horizon.
    I determined accuracy by comparing observed altitudes, corrected for
    refraction, semidiameter, index and instrument error, as appropriate,
    to calculated altitudes for my location.  Precision was assessed by
    taking multiple measurements around the same time and computing the
    standard deviation of the difference between observed and computed
    altitudes; usually I would make three measurements, sometimes four or
    five.
    
    Typically, for a good sight, the mean of the difference between
    computed and observed altitudes was around -0.4' to -0.7' and the
    standard deviation around 0.2' or 0.3'.  (I should note that not all
    my sights are that good).
    
    I then noticed in a series of sun sights over the course of a day
    that the systematic error dropped to close to zero around local
    apparent noon, while it had been -1.3' in the morning, although the
    precision remained constant at a standard deviation of 0.33'.  Around
    noon, the sun wasn't moving much, whereas it was moving quite fast in
    the morning, which implied that the lack of error at noon was due to
    the lack of motion.  I looked over my data and found that negative
    errors tended to occur in sights of rising objects while positive
    errors tended to occur in sights of setting objects (the overall
    negative error was associated with a higher frequency for sights of
    rising than setting objects).  This suggested that I was not timing
    the sights accurately, lagging between the time of perfecting the
    sight and noting the time.
    
    I then have endeavored to close this gap between perfecting the sight
    and noting the time, and my results have improved considerably.
    Today, I took three sets of observations of the sun while it was
    moving, taking five measurements around 10 am, yielding a mean error
    of 0.2' plus or minus 0.32'.  At 2 pm, four measurements yielded a
    mean error of -0.2' plus or minus 0.23', and four measurements at 3
    pm yielded a mean error of 0.0' plus or minus 0.31.
    
    I expect that the mean error could be reduced further by still better
    technique, and the the standard deviation could approach 0.1',
    routinely.  I would appreciate it if others could comment on my
    experience, share their experiences, or point to archived collections
    of data.
    
    Thanks
    
    Fred
    
    
    

       
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