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    Re: Th Nav-L Email List
    From: Ken Muldrew
    Date: 2006 Apr 13, 09:49 -0600

    On 13 Apr 2006 at 11:14, George Huxtable wrote:
    > Which is fair enough. Would he agree, if I suggest that perhaps he may be a
    > bit out of his depth, in regard to our present missing-messages problem?
    > That's a serious matter, in my view, and needs taking seriously, not
    > belittled. But better not to destroy Nav-l to fix it.
    The list is hosted by Webkahuna. This is a server run by Andy Finkenstadt
    in part for his own use and in part as a modest altruistic effort to
    support a few online communities. The problems with Nav-L will certainly
    require Andy, and probably those upstream of him, to do a lot of work if
    they are to be fixed. There is very little anyone from this group can do
    to sort this out as it will require access to the Apache configuration
    files and logs. A list owner doesn't have those priveledges. Someone could
    ask Andy if he's willing to track down the bugs but as an unpaid
    volunteer, but I doubt he will be too keen. Having done such work in the
    past, I would need a lot of motivation; others, and perhaps Andy is one
    such, would do it merely for the technical challenge. He is a senior
    software developer and the problem may turn out to be easy for him to fix,
    but if you have ever read The_Cuckoo's_Egg by Cliff Stoll, you can
    appreciate how difficult it can be to track down apparently trivial
    problems with networked systems.
    In order to keep the old email address, we can either put up with the loss
    of list integrity or request Andy Finkenstadt to fix it, but there seem to
    be no other options. We can keep the list (but not the old email address)
    and fix the problems by migrating to the address that Frank has created.
    The new address not only fixes those problems, it also allows additional
    convenience (such as web-based posting) while maintaining an email-only
    interface for continuity.
    Just to repeat: we are arguing over the email address and the site of the
    server that directs traffic, not the list itself. If the community decides
    to move to a new server, the community (the "list") remains intact.
    Ken Muldrew.

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