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    Re: Sun lines was Moonrise video
    From: Brad Morris
    Date: 2013 May 3, 19:15 -0400

    I've got a few basic questions about this too.

    1) I get how you could stay on a latitude line by measuring the altitude of Polaris.  Polaris too low? Turn northward.  Polaris too high? Turn southward.  That keeps me on a specific latitude.

    Now the terminal point is interesting.  How do I know it? 

    I wait for the altitude of a body, say the sun, to be a specific angle at a specific time.  Correct?  Similar to the Time Sight determination of longitude.  When the sun is above 5 degrees, I measure its altitude and compute longitude because I know my latitude.

    Assume I'm heading due east.  If the time arrives and the body is too low, I think I've had a headwind and therefore, continue to head eastward. Conversely, if the time arrives and the sun's angle is too high, then I've had a tailwind and have gone too far. 

    I think, therefore, that I monitor the angle while checking the time.  Since there are a large number of combinations of angle and time that equal the desired destination, it may be difficult to precompute all of these apriori.  How then is this determined?  Graphical?  Tabular?  Just keep solving for longitude based on altitude? I recognize that with enough computing power, this isn't an issue, but that hardly represents the solution until the electronic calculator.

    2) Howland Island is fairly close to the equator, so its unlikely they used Polaris.  I assume that other stars were used to stay on the course and way points by time.  Further, if the trip is not truly east/west, then the altitude/time combination for each selected waypoint/star is just the celestial solution.  Works the same way, just not on a line of latitude.

    I think I understand how it it works when the air is still and the course made good matches the expected.  Its when there are large head or tail winds that cause the combinatorial explosion of pairs.  A combinatorial explosion that precludes pre-computation.  How is this adjustment accounted for?

    Brad








    On May 3, 2013 6:33 PM, "Greg Rudzinski" <gregrudzinski@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Bill,

    Running down a line of position goes back a thousand years when Indian Ocean navigators observed Polaris using the Kamal. The Kamal provided a way to latitude sail without charts or calculations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_(navigation)

    Greg Rudzinski


    Sun lines was Moonrise video
    From: Bill B
    Date: 2013 May 3, 13:04 -0700
    Greg and Gary

    Thanks for the information on "running down a sun line." Greg's "Landfall" article gave me a frame of reference, similar to days of old making landfall where latitude was known and longitude was a best guess based on DR.

    I've read through the initial reference from Greg to Gary's work, and believe I understand the concept although I have no working knowledge of HO 208. I'll make the naive assumption other tabular methods may work as well (229 or 249).

    Being a visual learner, my next step is to use a universal mercator chart and follow through the example, which should help clarify the process in my mind (if an old dog can learn new tricks). Perhaps after that exercise I can follow up with any quasi-informed questions I may have.

    BTW It was interesting viewing a 1940's document that was "declassified".
    GCT (Greenwich Civil Time) vs GMT vs UT. I wish they would make up their minds :-)

    Bill B

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