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## A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding

**Spherical vs Non-spherical models for navigation**

**From:**Lu Abel

**Date:**1999 Mar 11, 12:46 PM

In a previous message, Tom Feuerhelm states: - However, in astronavigation, we all use a spherical model ! and then asks a bunch of questions about why and whether it produces any inaccuracies, give that we have all sorts of ellipsoidal models of the earth. Latitude and longitude, which are what we are determining when we do celestial navigation, are defined on a sphere. To find one's position at a certain latitude and longitude, one would draw a line out from the center of the earth at the proper angles and wherever it penetrated the earth's surface that would be the location on the earth given by that L/Lo. It doesn't matter whether the surface of the earth is a perfect sphere or slightly squished as it is in reality. With celestial observations, one goes directly to an angular position with respect to the center of the earth (we call it latitude and longitude) -- the shape of the earth doesn't enter into even the most precise calculation. It's when one tries to go the other way -- from a point on the surface of the earth back to it's latitude and longitude -- that the shape of the surface becomes important. We're all taught in our earliest navigation classes that a nautical mile is equivalent to a minute of latitude on the earth's surface. Not true -- it's an *average* minute of latitude. The length of a minute of latitude varys depending on where you are on the surface of the earth; Bowditch has tables which cover this. So if I go north by one nautical mile from the equator, I will not end up at precisely 0 deg 1 min north latitude. Similarly, if I come south one nautical mile from the North Pole, I will not be at exactly Lat 89d 89m N. These differences are on the order of 60 feet (0.01 percent) or less. Measuring distances of hundreds of miles to an accuracy of a few feet or less has been something land surveyors have been able to do for 200 years or more, so mapmakers have been worrying about the precise shape of the earth (and developing all those map datums and ellipsoids) for an equally long time. On the other hand, a celestial navigator is lucky to get a sextant reading with one minute accuracy. Even if latitude and longitude somehow depended on the shape of the earth, the differences between a precise model and a sperical model of the earth would be way below the magnitude of other errors in our observation and sight reduction processes. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-= =-= TO UNSUBSCRIBE, send this message to majordomo{at}roninhouse.com: =-= =-= unsubscribe navigation =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=