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Re: Sadler
From: Frank Reed
Date: 2008 Dec 4, 08:33 -0800
From: Frank Reed
Date: 2008 Dec 4, 08:33 -0800
George H., you wrote: "One thing that struck me was the rarity, in that office, of anyone with a direct practical interest, or any personal experience, in navigation. I would have thought that having a grizzled old retired seadog on-hand might have been rather useful, when choosing the bast layout for tables. I wonder whether that was the case, also, with their counterparts in the US." I don't know if it was the same in the US. But it is my impression from reading various historical reviews that they got the input they needed from numerous interviews and surveys. I think an old seadog as authority might have been more trouble than good -- you might end up with a lot of strong personal opinions declared to be common practice 'throughout the seven seas'. It is worth noting that whatever process the two offices used to get input on the design and layout in mid-century (of the almanacs at least), it was very successful. The Nautical Almanac today is nearly identical to the first edition of the new almanac published in 1958. About the only component that could be counted as a failure (in my opinion) would be the short sight reduction tables which were added in the 1980s --as was discussed a few weeks ago, no one seems to use them. Regarding Sadler's comments on his dip experiments, you asked: "Why should the sea surface not be an equipotential near the shore? Is he talking about gravitational effects from the adjacent land-mass? Or about the effects of tidal inertia? Or what?" The tides are only equipotential surfaces in static approximations. Just consider that it can be low tide at one port a few hundred miles from another where it's high tide. "Are these effects, whatever they are due to, likely to be big enough to affect dip observations?" Maybe in some unusual areas with large tidal ranges (possibly inluding the seas around Britain) you might want to worry about that at least hypothetically. In order for this to make any difference, you would need a significant difference in the height of the tide between your observing location and the horizon. Suppose there's a five foot difference, which is about the most I can imagine. If your observing location is a hundred feet high, then the horizon is about ten nautical miles away. At that distance, five feet amounts to about 0.3 minutes or arc which would, in fact, be relevant to detailed observations of dip. In addition, the curve of the sea surface might be somewhat flattened or somewhat more rounded than the curvature of a sphere (not much though). But I suspect that Sadler's discussion of tides was just a speculation on his part --something that he hoped might explain away his unsuccessful experiments. Unfortunately, dip is variable, especially close to shore, and it's the atmosphere's temperature profile on a small scale that drives this, not the phenomena of tides. Incidentally, you could also worry about the heights of hills and valleys on the ocean's surface. None of them that I have examined occur rapidly enough to affect dip. For example, near the margins of the Gulf Stream, the sea height changes by 4 to 6 inches in a distance which, in unusual cases, is as short as ten nautical miles. But half a foot seen from ten n.m. distance subtends an angle of less than two seconds of arc. So we don't have to worry about that. -FER --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---