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Re: Radio Clock or Internet GMT - which should I believe?
From: Philip Bailey
Date: 2012 Mar 4, 12:23 +0000
From: Philip Bailey
Date: 2012 Mar 4, 12:23 +0000
Nobody has mentioned NTP in this thread so far. NTP (for Network Time Protocol) is a way of synchronising your computer's clock with that of others. NTP is quite sophisticated, for example taking into account propagation delays over the Internet, and which of the servers that you are synchronising from is best. It also figures out the "drift" of your computer's clock (this is much the same as the "rate" when talking about chronometers). If the computer clock runs fast or slow, it is periodically adjusted, by small increments, so that the time is always correct (within some error limit). It will continue to work in this way while disconnected from the Internet, albeit with decreasing accuracy. You can use NTP in a less sophisticated way, by performing a one-off synchronisation, and this is what Windows computers do by default, synchronising once a week, without any small adjustments to the clock in between; this is not nearly so accurate. Mac OS X and Linux come with full NTP. Your ISP may provide an NTP server, and there are many publicly-available servers, see for example www.pool.ntp.org. Where do NTP servers get their time from? Well, anybody can set up an NTP server, so it depends. In most cases, the answer is "another NTP server". But so-called stratum 1 NTP servers get their time from another source, which could be anything from an atomic clock to one of the other sources already discussed in this thread, such as a GPS receiver or radio sources (WWV, MSF etc.). How does this impact the celestial navigator? If you are far from land, and do not have the capability or desire to maintain a satellite connection to the Internet, then NTP is not useful. But for the armchair navigator, with a good Internet connection (Wi-Fi or not), then NTP will provide more than sufficiently accurate time. Phil On 2 Mar 2012, at 19:00, Zvi wrote: > I have been using GMT provided over the Internet (via Wi-Fi) to set my time pieces by for celestial navigation, but when compared to a radio clock (AccTim Galaxias) the two time sources seem to differ, mostly by a second or two but sometimes by up to 5 seconds. Intuitively I would have thought that the radio clock would be the stable and accurate one and that the Internet GMT, delivered to a laptop or to a smartphone via Wi-Fi would suffer short delays and inconsistencies. Any thoughts or experience?