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**Re: Proportional logs, etc.**

**From:**Jan Kalivoda

**Date:**2004 Aug 25, 19:45 +0200

Hello, Henry, I only try to find out some solution, maybe quite wrongly. Maybe there is another basis for proplogs of Sun corrections than for proplogs of Moon corrections. They should not necessarily be the same. As Sun corrections are much smaller, it can be convenient to choose another basis for their proplogs so as to allow for their smaller values and to obtain more precise results. If the results of your short method are correct compared with another method, there must be some trick somewhere in your tables. Don't expect that an introduction for the table users would explain such details at the beginning of the 19th century. Take the basic formula for interpolation: T1/t = D/d log T1 - log t = log D - log d log T1 - log t = (log T2 - log d) - (log T2 - log D) In the most cases of tables and solutions, T1 = T2 and one table of proplogs (proplog t = log T1 - log t) suffices. But according to limits of some values (see above), it could be of advantage to use two tables of proplogs, each one with another basis (T1T2). Bruce Stark used this trick in his tables for clearing lunars very cleverly. Of course, this was only the simplest mode of usinf proplogs. The use of your tables is more complex, but I cannot say anything about them without studying them. But if your tables give wrong results anywhere in their limits, forget this posting. Jan Kalivoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry C. Halboth" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Proportional logs, etc. This is intended for George, Fred, or someone otherwise familiar with short methods for clearing Lunar Distances, or in the use and construction of tables of Proportional Logarithms. I am currently working on a previously undiscussed short clearing method, circa 1820, which I intend to post, however, am having some difficulties is verifying the accuracy of certain included tables which depend on the use of proportional logarithms. A Table III, supposedly entered with the Sun's Apparent Altitude, produces a logarithm employed in calculating a "second correction". This tabular, value is stated as the summation of the log sin 30-deg + log cos Apparent Altitude + proportional log of the Altitude Correction (parallax - refraction). At small values of Altitude Correction, say in the order of 1-minute or less, I am unable to accurately replicate the tabular values presented, while at larger values acceptable coincidence can be demonstrated. For example ... At 30-deg Apparent Altitude, and tabulated Sun's Correction as 1m-30sec, the referenced Table III produces a log of 1.7115. My calculation is log sine 30 = 9.6990 + log cos 30 = 9.9375 + pl 1-30 = 2.0792, for a correction log of 1.7157. This is not an earth shaking difference at 30-deg, however, as the altitude becomes greater, and the correction therefore less, the difference becomes greater and the result questionable. A similar table published for the Moon, where altitude corrections are significantly larger, utilizing the same deriving formula, works out with amazing accuracy. I am using proportional logarithm tables dating back to 1828, all British, i.e., Norie's, and find no difference in entries at small values. Were there other, perhaps American tables published, circa 1820, am I having a "senior moment", are there other forms of pl tables, or are proportional logs simply not accurate enough at small values. -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.7.0 - Release Date: 24.8.2004