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**Re: Predicting transit using Bowditch section 2010**

**From:**Doug Royer

**Date:**2003 Dec 22, 10:28 -0800

Jim,Trevor is correct in his explaination of useing the table.It was used mainly for the purpose of the navigator to calculate the "Watch Time" of LAN on a moveing vessel.In real practice it is as Trevor states:to let the sight taker know when to be on deck or bridge to take the round of noon sights.There are more techniques to do this and I would be happy to show them to you.Contact me off list if interested. -----Original Message----- From: Navigation Mailing List [mailto:NAVIGATION-L{at}LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM]On Behalf Of Trevor J. Kenchington Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 06:44 To: NAVIGATION-L{at}LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM Subject: Re: Predicting transit using Bowditch section 2010 Jim, You wrote: > When I ignored the seconds in Method 2, everything fell into line nicely. > But I have two problems with this neat solution to my problem. > > Transit time occured at 13h 08m 09s (Method 1). > http://jimthompson.net/boating/CelestialNav/NoonSunSight.htm > > 1. My DLo converts to 12m 32s. So rounding up to the nearest minute should > have brought the DLo to 13m, which would produce a predicted transit time of > 1156 + 13 min = 1309, not 1308. If I simply ignore the 32s, then I get > 1308, which is in agreement with all the other methods. If you round your numbers before making a calculation, you can get "rounding errors" (as in this example). That is: approximations entered into a calculation will not always give you an answer accurate to the precision of the original approximation. The moral is that you should never round off your numbers until to get to your final answer. At least, you should not round them off as far until you get to the end of the calculations (e.g. you could calculate to the nearest second if you intend to express your final answer to the nearest minute but if you really wanted your answer to be to the nearest second, you should calculate using values to the nearest 0.1 or 0.01 of a second). > 2. However Bowditch Section 2010 instructs us to add 11h 56 m and 12m 32s > for a total of 12h 08m 32s, shown as if accurate to the nearest second. Why > is that? > > Here is the relevant section from the 2002 version of Bowditch: "2010. > Latitude at Meridian Passage. First, determine the time of meridian passage > from the daily pages of the Nautical Almanac. In this case, the meridian > passage for May 16, 1995, is 1156. That is, the Sun crosses the central > meridian of the time zone at 1156 ZT and the observer's local meridian at > 1156 local time. Next, determine the vessel's DR longitude for the time of > meridian passage. In this case, the vessel's 1156 DR longitude is 157? 23.0' > W. Determine the time zone in which this DR longitude falls and record the > longitude of that time zone's central meridian. In this case, the central > meridian is 150? W. Enter the Conversion of Arc to Time table in the > Nautical Almanac with the difference between the DR longitude and the > central meridian longitude. The conversion for 7? of arc is 28 m of time, > and the conversion for 23' of arc is 1 m 32 s of time. Sum these two times. > If the DR position is west of the central meridian (as it is in this case), > add this time to the time of tabulated meridian passage. If the longitude > difference is to the east of the central meridian, subtract this time from > the tabulated meridian passage. In this case, the DR position is west of the > central meridian. Therefore, add 29 minutes and 32 seconds to 1156, the > tabulated time of meridian passage. The estimated time of LAN is 12-25-32 > ZT." > > My answer is that the time of LAN so determined in Bowditch should be > written this way: > 12-26 ZT, not 12-25-32 ZT. > > Is that most correct, and the way that Bowditch should have shown the > estimate? These are instructions for finding the _latitude_ of a moving object whose longitude cannot be known precisely. My guess is that they are intended to tell the navigator how to estimate when to step out to the bridge wing with his sextant and begin observing, _not_ as a way of determining just when the Sun crosses the meridian. That is, the method described is only intended to give the clock time of LAN to the nearest minute. That would explain why the instructions suggest that the time of the Sun's crossing the Greenwich meridian in GMT can be used as the time (in LMT) of her crossing any other meridian -- an adequate approximation to the nearest minute but clearly not precise to the nearest second. So why, having set out to calculate to the nearest minute, does Bowditch quote an answer to the nearest second? I'd suggest that the authors of this section have fallen into a common trap that catches many writers of textbooks by seeking to present a degree of theoretical perfection that is irrelevant to the real world. In this case, their attempt at additional precision actually introduced an error. If I am wrong in that, I trust that some member of this list will point out my error. Trevor Kenchington -- Trevor J. Kenchington PhD Gadus{at}iStar.ca Gadus Associates, Office(902) 889-9250 R.R.#1, Musquodoboit Harbour, Fax (902) 889-9251 Nova Scotia B0J 2L0, CANADA Home (902) 889-3555 Science Serving the Fisheries http://home.istar.ca/~gadus