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    Re: Poor St. Hilaire
    From: Geoffrey Butt
    Date: 2007 Oct 28, 15:30 -0000

    John
    
    If you are correct that your examples A,B and C are the only explanations
    given .... then I am truly surprised.
    
    Surely an assumed position is used because any body's altitude angle and
    azimuth can be found quickly from Reduction Tables:  the parameters of the
    assumed position having to correspond to the restricted increments of
    entries in those tables.  No other tables, mathematical knowledge or
    calculator are then required to plot an LOP.
    
    The accuracy of the plot was adequate to meet the needs of aircraft flying
    increasingly long distances and at increasing speeds in the mid-20th
    century.  The estimate of speed over the ground introduced a potentially
    larger error due to assumptions which had to made about the wind vector.
    
    I was talking recently to a school friend who flew BOAC VC10s on long-haul
    routes in the 60/70s.  He described his transatlantic navigation
    qualification flights as a non-stop round of sight-taking, plotting and
    application of wind vector estimates.  The need for a rapid and simple
    method for plotting estimated LOPs was paramount.
    
    Geoff Butt
    
    John Karl wrote:
    : ..............
    : I was speaking from the viewpoint of a modern author introducing the
    : St. Hilaire method and the reader trying to understand.  I'm talking
    : about how the method is introduced in any number of commonly used
    : books: books by Blewitt, Bowditch (2000 edition), Cunliffe, Dutton
    : (2004 edition), Howell, Letcher, Meyrier, Moody, Schlereth, Turner,
    : and Toghill, to name a few.  These authors all are discussing using HO
    : 229, HO 249, or a calculator.  They are all talking about finding a
    : single LOP - not a fix, not an iteration of fixes.  They're not taking
    : about older log-trig methods or the Sumner method.
    :
    : My statement was that all of these authors either don't attempt to
    : explain the REASON for the assumed position, or they explain it
    : incorrectly.  For example,
    :
    : A. Some say that an assumption is necessary because the distance
    : between the sun's GP and the ship is too great to plot.  While that's
    : true (for most sights and charts), it's not the reason for the assumed
    : position.
    :
    : B.  Some say the AP is necessary because there's insufficient
    : information to plot the LOP.  That's false.  We know everything
    : necessary to plot the LOP
    :
    : C.  Others say the AP is necessary because we don't know how to plot
    : the exact LOP.  That's also false.  They are several ways to plot the
    : LOP exactly.
    :
    : I mused about WHY so many authors either don't explain the reason for
    : the AP, or they have it incorrect - I think that the term "assumed
    : position" has misled these folks.  But of course, that's only my
    : guess.
    :
    : I wonder what List members think the reason is for their
    : misunderstanding, particularly when they're supposed to be teaching
    : others!  No one has addressed this - yet.
    :
    : John
    :
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