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    Re: Orion at oceannavigator site
    From: Robert Eno
    Date: 2013 Feb 6, 22:38 -0500
    
    Patrick,
     
    I do not believe that you need to apologize. You called it as you saw it. Sure you were blunt, but in this day and age where our society is over-populated by the perpetually-offended and where looking crosswise at a person will get you hauled up before a human rights kangaroo court, blunt honesty can be refreshing.
     
    Tell you a funny story about the editor of ON. He had written a rather scathing critique about a particular set of compact sight reduction tables that were favoured by the editors of another navigation publication. No names, no packdrill. Anyway, after ONs critique had been out there for a while, the editor of the other publication fired off a classic rejoinder: he suggested that the comments offered by the editor of ON were more in keeping with something that would have been written from a bar stool rather than a respected navigation publication. Not the exact words but something along those lines.
     
    Where would we get our laughs if everyone spent their lives walking on eggshells worrying about offending someone?
     
    Robert
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:46 PM
    Subject: [NavList 22268] Re: Re: Re: Orion at oceannavigator site


    I apologize for splashing my animus all over navlist. The opinion I expressed is ugly and extreme.  It would have been enough  to note that, despite the magazine's title, navigation is not its primary emphasis.

    Sorry!

    Patrick


    On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Robert Eno <enoid---net> wrote:

    Damn shame if ON has gone that route. When I had a subscription in the early 1990s, it was a great magazine full of interesting articles about astro-navigation and general seamanship. I had the pleasure of attending two of their 8-day navigation cruises on the 88 foot schooner, Ocean Star. It was an experience that I shall never forget. Many of the lessons learned and the existing skills honed, proved to be valuable to me in later years. The owner and staff of ON were great folks. Very knowledgeable and affable. I had the privilege of meeting a few of them. 
     
    I stopped subscribing to ON partly because they seemed to drift away from astro-navigation and mostly because I simply did not have the time to keep up with the reading. Still, it was, notwithstanding the paucity of articles related to astro-navigation, a quality publication.
     
    It has been well over ten years since I last picked up a copy of ON so I am not in a position to challenge Patrick Goold's assessment. It is sad to hear that they have become a shadow of what they once were.
     
    Robert
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:22 PM
    Subject: [NavList 22266] Re: Orion at oceannavigator site


    "Ocean Navigator" is the most misleadingly titled magazine I have ever seen!  It is a thin version of the usual "new junk for your boat and how to fix some of the old junk that you are still paying for" boat mag.  It has a tiny regular column with celnav problems. Utterly derivative articles.  Very little about navigation, even of the electronic variety.  Not worth even a look.  I'd check it for myself if it told me water was wet.


    Patrick Goold



    On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Frank Reed <FrankReed---com> wrote:

    There is a weak article on Orion constellation lore at oceannavigator.com:
    http://www.oceannavigator.com/Web-Exclusives-2013/The-myths-of-Orion/

    I've already commented there, but I'll just add here, if you find anyone recommending R.H. Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning" as a source, run! It was first published in 1899, and it creates an illusion of scholarship which many people still fall for. But it's filled with nonsense. The best modern work on star names and some constellation lore is "A Dictionary of Modern Star Names" by Kunitsch and Smart. Another reasonably good source is "Star Tales" by Ian Ridpath.

    Unfortunately, the article at oceannavigator.com repeats some twaddle about the pyramids at Giza representing Orion's belt. Here's a little background on that theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_correlation_theory. It was fun in "Stargate SG-1" ...which was a sci-fi TV show. Perhaps the author of the article is a fan. :)

    -FER

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