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    Re: Off-topic: Recommendation for "Captain Phillips"
    From: Tom Sult
    Date: 2014 Jan 15, 17:15 -0600
    Constantly loitering on station would be a fairly dramatic deterrent. They have really good glass (and other goodies) and unreal attach capability. A burst in front of the advancing vessel would be a real attention getter. And if needed they could vaporize the attaching vessel in a single bust. 

    But expensive. 

    Tom Sult
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    On Jan 15, 2014, at 14:43, Lu Abel <luabel{at}ymail.com> wrote:


    Here's an article to back up Frank's thoughts:

    http://www.ihsmaritime360.com/article/10759/italian-marines-could-face-death-penalty

    An Italian tanker had two Italian Marines aboard, apparently to provide defense against pirates.   They shot and killed two Indian fisherman (what started the fight is not clear).   It was later determined the fishermen posed no threat to the tanker -- and now India wants to try the Marines for murder!

    The majority of proposals to provide active defense against pirates involve using private security guards, not military.  International law treats the military of other countries vastly differently than civilians, so if India is charging a couple of members of Italy's military with murder, how would they treat armed civilian guards?



    From: Frank Reed <FrankReed{at}HistoricalAtlas.com>
    To: luabel{at}ymail.com
    Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:53 AM
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Off-topic: Recommendation for "Captain Phillips"


    Gary, you wrote: "why don't you have a Ma Deuce on the stern rail?"
    If I understand you right, why weren't they armed with a nice big gun? I felt that frustration, too. Two centuries ago, it was normal to arm commercial vessels with small cannon..
    This remains a huge subject of controversy. Here's an article from a few months after the Maersk Alabama incident:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-weighs-arming-ships-against-pirates/
    Here's a quote from that article:
    "the laws of many nations prevent vessels from carrying weapons, historically for fear they would be used by mutineers.
    A range of maritime groups and insurers oppose arming ships because of liability issues and fears that violence could provoke an arms race with the pirates."
    Then there's the recognition problem. If we raid a Somali vessel, and they have a bunch of weapons onboard, they're pirates. Easy. But what if we change the rules. Then they can say that they are carrying weapons to defend against pirates. So now everybody has weapons. In the end, it's not too tough to decide to arm big ships, but that just forces pirates to attack small yachts. And yachts are strictly prohibited from carrying guns by most legal authorities. I gather that you can carry guns on the high seas. You just can't enter any port with them --which poses a practical problem!
    -FER
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