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    Re: Observational Twilight
    From: Robert H. van Gent
    Date: 2021 Jul 5, 19:48 +0000

    Hi Greg & Frank,

     

    Thanks for your observations.

     

    Good to see that Bowditch agrees with Dutton that the darker limit of nautical dawn is too dark for taking star altitudes.

     

    Just to be clear, I am not so much interested in the 'correct' or 'best' value for the disappearance  of the visual horizon but more in who, when and where proposed such values.

     

    Nautical twilight was first introduced in 1936 by Leslie John Comrie (1893-1950), Superintendent of H.M. Nautical Almanac Office from 1930 until 1936, in The Nautical Almanac and Astronomical Ephemeris for the Year 1937, pp. iii & 664-704, online here

     

      https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b527217

     

    As Frank mentioned, the value of 12° was chosen as the mean between the limiting values of civil and astronomical twilight as was explained by G.M. Clemence in his reply to Smiley's paper

     

      https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1951PA.....59..358C

     

      "It is worth noting that nautical twilight was introduced by L.J. Comrie, purely as a

        convenient subdivision of the more extended period. The name had no significance

        other than as a convenient label. It was Comrie's intention that each user should

        determine by experience the particular depression of the sun that corresponded 

        best to his particular requirements, and that he should interpolate between two

        of  the tabulated twilights."

     

    rvg

     

     

    From: NavList@fer3.com <NavList@fer3.com> On Behalf Of Frank Reed
    Sent: Mon 05 July 2021 18:30
    To: Gent, R.H. van (Rob) <R.H.vanGent@uu.nl>
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Observational Twilight

     

    A Greg has already said, yes, 9° is a more reasonable ending for useful celestial navigation, and you can start much earlier. The idea that practical twilight ends when the Sun's true altitude is 12° below the horizon seems to have emerged with the creation of the term "nautical twilight" (when? sometime in the 1920s?). I'm convinced that -12° was selected for the most trivial reason: to split the difference between the limits of civil and astronomical twilight which were already well-establsihed at -6° and -18° respectively. It's an arbitrary number.

    I wouldn't say that the solution is to replace an arbitrary -12° with an (also) arbitrary -9°, let along the 8°51' supposedly measured by German mariners. There's great variety in practical instances. At the limit of practical nautical twilight, direction makes a huge difference. In most parts of the world, you can save the stars in the west after sunset until the end of a round of sights since the horizon is visible much longer. The eastern horizon after sunset can be difficult when the Sun is as little as 7 or 8° below the horizon. In the early morning, we can shoot stars in the east well before any reasonable horizon appears on the opposite side of the sky.

    Also, celestial navigators in high latitudes in the right season can frequently see a horizon all night long. Same Sun depression rules fundamentally. Just worth remembering that the Sun can be due north and be high enough to illuminate the horizon above it due north (or due south in the right season in the southern hemisphere).

    The rise of apps has led many software-driven navigators to try to craft rules that could feed a practical navigator the right suggestions by algorithm. So far I have not seen anything really effective, and given the large number of sources of variability of the stars and the horizon, I tend to think projects like these are a bit hopeless. There is advice worth knowing, but in the event a navigator has to make selections based on the sky at the time.

    Frank Reed

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