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    Re: OT: Interesting video
    From: Lu Abel
    Date: 2013 Dec 16, 15:53 -0800
    The San Francisco Liberty Ship is the SS Jeremiah O'Brien, docked near Fisherman's Wharf and part of the National Maritime Museum in SF.

    In 1994 the O'Brien steamed under her own power to Normandy to mark the 50th anniversary of her participation in the invasion.  

    She still makes regular trips in SF Bay under her own steam -- but has to be escorted by two tugboats since Liberty ships had but a single engine and an engine failure on the O'Brien could turn her into a uncontrolled ship aimed at a populated waterfront.    I also understand that she has a very large turning radius and needs help from the tugs to do a U-turn despite SF Bay being five miles wide.

    Long and interesting article on Liberty ships in Wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship
    including why they were called "Liberty" ships and how individual ships were named.

    The article also discusses the ships' proclivity to hull fractures, with at least three splitting in half and sinking (arguably not bad, since over 2700 were built).   It turns out that this occurred mostly during winter passages from the US to Britain.   The steel in the hulls actually turned from ductile (which would give a little under stress) to brittle (which would snap under stress) at temperatures in the low 30s (Fahrenheit, or a few degrees above 0 C).

    It's not clear from the Wikipedia article how the ships were compartmented.

    On 12/16/2013 2:19 PM, Jackson McDonald wrote:

    With regard to Liberty ships, I've heard that they also lacked watertight compartments.  Thus, if the hull was breached, there was no way to seal off the affected part of the ship to prevent the entire ship from sinking.  True?

    Only two Liberty ships remain out of the approximately 2500 manufactured in WW II.  One is the "John W. Brown" in Baltimore; the other is in San Francisco.  A dynamic non-profit association keeps the "John W. Brown" in operational condition.  Its steam engine (already old technology in WW II) is a wonder to behold.

    JMcD  

      


    From: debray1---.com
    To: jacksonmcdonald---.com
    Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:58:56 -0800
    Subject: [NavList] Re: OT: Interesting video


    Our electrical shop on the USS Everglades (a destroyer tender)  was situated at an expansion joint.  When we were at sea I would enjoy watching the flexure at that joint and was reminded that the Liberty ships did not have this feature in their design and, hence, many broke up at sea.  I am an engineer, no surprise.

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    On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Sean C <yhshuh---.com> wrote:


    A video of a corridor on the MSC Buran (minesweeper?) flexing with the hull while at sea:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7da_1387178760
    Cheers,
    Sean C.
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