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    Re: Noon sight for longitude
    From: Greg R_
    Date: 2008 Jul 10, 21:17 -0700

    --- hch  wrote:
    
    > why all the talk of Lunars.
    
    As I understand it, for our List members who don't live near the open
    water that (and maybe an artificial horizon) are about the only way
    they get to practice their celnav skills.
    
    But different strokes for different folks... I don't have much more
    than a passing interest in lunars (other than maybe as a curiosity
    factor), but I also have the luxury of living near an ocean so I can
    understand their enthusiasm for working them - just as they also
    tolerate my "realistic" experiences and adventures (and occasional
    foibles) doing celnav practice with a real ocean horizon.
    
    --
    GregR
    
    
    
    --- hch  wrote:
    
    >
    > Jim:
    >
    > I too apologize for my overly caustic response, however, must state
    > plainly my exception to the tendency so evident for name calling and
    > somewhat less than polite innuendo that occurs on this List,
    > including that which is so frequently exhibited by some of our more
    > distinguished members. Most of us have no idea as to what the
    > pedigree of the other correspondents may be, and that is perhaps as
    > it should be to engender a sense of equality.
    >
    > Unfortunately, almost if not all methods employed in celestial
    > navigation have limitations attached to there use - you name it, and
    > there is most probably some restriction to the universality of its
    > application, and the determination of Longitude at Noon by equal
    > altitudes is no exception. It is, however, the responsibility of the
    > navigator to adapt the means to the necessities of any particular
    > situation, and to properly assess the reliance to be vested in the
    > means employed. There were in the past many times when the roughest
    > approximation of position was better than nothing at all. The
    > presence of a SatNav receiver, or what have you, does not induce the
    > same urgency of need.
    >
    > It is probably possible to make a case to the effect that any
    > discussions regarding celestial navigation are a waste of time in
    > this electronic era, but the members of this List appear to relish in
    > hashing over methods perhaps long forgotten by the mainstream - else
    > why all the talk of Lunars. Our deliberations, I think, are
    > relatively harmless and certainly not earthshaking - so long as they
    > are conducted in peace and harmony.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Henry
    >
    >
    > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, James N Wilson  wrote:
    >
    > > From: James N Wilson 
    > > Subject: [NavList 5782] Re: Noon sight for longitude
    > > To: NavList@fer3.com
    > > Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:16 PM
    > > George:
    > >
    > > Thanks for coming to my defense. You stated my objections
    > > precisely. But
    > > I still must apologize for my "attack dog"
    > > approach. I'm expressing my
    > > frustration with popular articles which don't tell the
    > > complete story..
    > > I've been trying to get my point across for over twenty
    > > years, and
    > > haven't made much progress. In that old time frame, I
    > > criticized an
    > > almost identical article in Cruising World, and was rebuked
    > > with a note
    > > to the effect that if I had something of interest to their
    > > readers, I
    > > should submit it. About then, I gave up. But not
    > > completely. I worked in
    > > that same time period to get the Power Squadron to revise
    > > their material
    > > which blatantly quoted the myth. Alas, the best that I
    > > achieved was that
    > > they deleted it. Later, in my short tenure as a member of
    > > their Offshore
    > > Navigation Committee, I did manage to get the point across.
    > > I was asked
    > > to prepare a paragraph on the problem for inclusion in
    > > their Navigation
    > > course. I condensed my twelve page Navigation article to a
    > > paragraph,
    > > basically the equation for the difference between the
    > > measured time of
    > > maximum altitude and LAN, with a short lead-in and the
    > > nomenclature. I
    > > don't know if it was included in the course material. I
    > > wasn't welcome on
    > > that committee, in that I think that I was too critical. I
    > > did last for
    > > two years. I was invited because in teaching their Junior
    > > Navigation
    > > course, I noted that they didn't have a form for
    > > reducing their meridian
    > > transit sights. So, I created one, and it was immediately
    > > welcomed, with
    > > a bit of mastication, and is now a part of the course
    > > material. So, I did
    > > achieve something.
    > >
    > > Thanks again, and I again apologize for expressing my
    > > frustration. I
    > > joined this group in the hope that it might help me get my
    > > point across.
    > > I'm encouraged.
    > >
    > > Jim Wilson
    > > ____________________________________________________________
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    > > information on top-notch home businesses.
    > >
    >
     
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    >
    
    
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