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From: George Huxtable
Date: 2006 Oct 17, 11:53 +0100
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2006 Oct 17, 11:53 +0100
In Navlist 1428, Latitude by lunar distance, Pet Fogg replied to a suggestion from Geoffrey Kolbe > I hope Frank takes the time to write it up in the "Navigator's > Newsletter" > or one of the other more formal forums for the discussion of > celestial > navigation matters. as follows- "Just to clarify this, the 'Navigator's Newsletter' is NOT "one of the ... more formal forums" It is not a peer reviewed journal as is, for example, the 'British Journal of Navigation'. To give an idea of how far short the 'Newsletter' falls from being a serious forum, over recent times it has hosted an unseemly squabble between H Zevering and G Huxtable over matters that should, perhaps, never have been accepted as worthy of publication, and which were eventually shown to be worthless by the 'British Journal of Navigation'. Incidentally, such is the strength of a forum like this one, where pretty-well anything can be trotted out and put on display. This NavList is a great place to float an idea, although before being accepted as comparable with the work of Marcq St Hilaire it should indeed, as Geoffrey has helpfully suggested, be submitted to an appropriate peer-reviewed journal." ========================= There are a few comments to make about that- To reduce confusion, there's no such thing as the "British Journal of Navigation". It's "The Journal of Navigation", of the "Royal Institute of Navigation", to be distinguished from "Navigation", its American counterpart from the "Institute of Navigation". There is often confusion about these similar names. The Journal of Navigation is indeed a peer-reviewed publication, but nevertheless, published a nonsensical article by H.Zevering in its January 2006 issue, which has been challenged (and also defended) in the latest issue. Peer review may do some good, but it's not infallible, and critical comment helps to weed out nonsense. Peer review may sometimes do harm, in suppressing anti-establishment views, as has happened, in other disciplines, in the past. The Zevering stuff started with an article in one of the first issues of European Journal of Navigation, a new publication, in vol 1 no.3 (2003). I don't know whether that journal was peer-reviewed. That article combined a host of typo errors with many author's errors, to make it completely unintelligible.. The typos were corrected later in vol 2 no 2, but the author's errors, some of which were later admitted in the pages of Navigator's Newsletter, have never been corrected in EJN, as far as I know. Zevering followed up with several articles in Navigator's Newsletter. Just then, it was having a bad time, as its editor, Ernest Brown, had suddenly died, and Terry Carraway was handling both the administration of the Navigation Foundation, and editing (with no prior experience) for publication. At that time, the Newsletter was desperate for material to full its pages, and Zevering was allowed to virtually monopolise it, over many issues. There was certainly no peer-reviewing in place! But Peter Fogg is out of date. A new editor, David Burch, has taken over at Navigator's Newsletter, and over the last few issues it has been completely transformed and improved. Many will know of David from his work at the Starpath school of navigation, and the software that has resulted. He has put in a lot of energy and imagination into the newsletter, and attracted contributors many of whom will be well known to nav-l / navlist members, such as Bruce Stark (on Lewis & Clark), Geoffrey Kolbe, and Jan Kalivoda. Though I couldn't have said this a couple of years ago, Navigator's Newsletter is now a good and lively reason for joining the Foundation for promotion of the art of Navigation. Its website address is- www.navigationfoundation.org postal address PO Box 1126, Rockville, Maryland 20850, USA. You can phone or fax to 301-622-6448. =================== Continuing fro Peter's comments about this forum:- I think the great strength of navlist and similar lists is that of immediacy, getting close to live debate. So an idea can be batted to and fro, pulled apart, put together again, in a way that would take years in the course of ordinary journal publication. For example, by the time Journal of Navigation appears, its next issue, to appear four months later, has very nearly been put to bed already, so any argument takes place with glacial slowness. The other strength is that we are a community who have got to know each other rather well, our individual strengths and weakness and eccentricities, and we can argue, without too much constraint, and without too much offense being taken. Long may that mutual tolerance continue. 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