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    Re: NavL archive
    From: Robert Gainer
    Date: 2006 Apr 1, 20:06 -0500

    Your right George about change not necessarily being good. The trick is to 
    always be open to looking at change and being clever enough to recognize when 
    it?s worthwhile.  After all, if man was meant to fly he would have wings and 
    the earth is the center of the universe, as we all know.
    
    You said,
    ?One would be an archive that was self-contained, rather than one operated by 
    a third party (useful and effective though that may be)?.
    
    This is the notion that started some looking at change.
    
    You went on to say,
    ?This list has its highs and lows. Traffic goes up and dies down. Dan has 
    shown he has sticking power, and guides us with a very light rein. That's 
    exactly as it should be. I would hate to see someone show a burst of 
    enthusiasm, and then lose interest?.
    
    Nothing lasts forever and Dan, or anybody else for that matter will move on to 
    other things or even die one day, we all do after all. To my way of thinking 
    this means that to last past one man, a project needs to involve more then 
    one person. By the way, that person is not I and I am hoping that others have 
    the skills to build on what Dan has done. I am willing to help Dan and others 
    but am not capable of doing ?IT?.  I think if someone shows enthusiasm it 
    should be harnessed and used. When it peters out then its time for the next 
    one to step up and take a swing at it.  You just need to be smart enough to 
    not build something that depends on someone else. Take his contribution and 
    move forward with in your own framework. That way things improve and don?t 
    need to come apart because someone moves on in life.
    
    You also said,
    ?The way ahead, in my view, is for those that are savvy enough (which excludes 
    me) to offer Dan all the help they can. Robert has shown the way, by 
    contributing an attachment-gallery (which remains under-used, so far). Such 
    incremental improvements, a step at a time, are what we need.?
    
    That was a ?quick fix? to a problem and is not the best solution. That was 
    simply the best that could be done at the time. It would be better (maybe in 
    my opinion only) to have a host that would permit attachments and a server 
    with enough space to keep them with the original post.  By the way George, I 
    am also contributing space for Dan?s web page with the links and an area on 
    the server to store and handle downloads of files that Dan thinks are of 
    general interest to the group. I think that is also an underused resource.
    Thanks for your contribution,
    Robert Gainer
    
    
    
    >
    > From: George Huxtable 
    > Date: 2006/04/01 Sat PM 06:27:05 EST
    > To: NAVIGATION-L{at}LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM
    > Subject: Re: NavL archive
    >
    > Robert asked-
    >
    > If the opportunity arrives to host the list elsewhere what features do you think we should have?
    > What are the members of the list willing to pay (if anything) to set it up? Is any one willing to
    > contribute time to help transfer the archive or whatever else is required. Does a copy of the
    > archive exist in a form that we can use to set up a replacement? Dan has a web page now, in the best
    > of all possible worlds should that be the opening page for the archive? We can have links to other
    > pages of interest to us, who wants to maintain that?
    >
    > It's my understanding that this all exists because Dan set it up and it is his. I do not want to
    > change that but I do want to look at some options and see if we as a group can help Dan move this to
    > a better more robust server. Anybody have some thoughts on this?
    >
    > ======================
    >
    > I have a somewhat cynical attitude toward Change, in general. In my experience, Change, even for the
    > best of motives, often ends up for the worse, not the better. The list has been rubbing along pretty
    > well, under Dan, for many years now, and provides us with a valued playpen. We should be cautious
    > about Change.
    >
    > Nevertheless, there are things that could improve, if someone could see the way forward to do it.
    > One would be an archive that was self-contained, rather than one operated by a third party (useful
    > and effective though that may be). Some messages go missing, for no reason that's understood. Does
    > anyone see a way to fix that?  I would like to see postingscontact George Huxtable at
    > george---.u-net.com
    > or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222)
    > or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. sequentially numbered, as I have
    > suggested before.
    >
    > This list has its highs and lows. Traffic goes up and dies down. Dan has shown he has sticking
    > power, and guides us with a very light rein. That's exactly as it should be. I would hate to see
    > someone show a burst of enthusiasm, and then lose interest.
    >
    > The way ahead, in my view, is for those that are savvy enough (which excludes me) to offer Dan all
    > the help they can. Robert has shown the way, by contributing an attachment-gallery (which remains
    > under-used, so far). Such incremental improvements, a step at a time, are what we need.
    >
    > By the way, I suggest that it would be helpful, from time to time, to remind the list about the
    > existence of that attachment-gallery, and summarise how to post pictures and messages up to it, and
    > how to read them back.
    >
    > George
    >
    > ===================
    >
    > contact George Huxtable at george---.u-net.com
    > or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222)
    > or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.
    >
    
    
    

       
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