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    Re: Nautical Almanac Usage
    From: Ken Gebhart
    Date: 2004 Oct 23, 14:57 -0500

    on 10/23/04 11:49 AM, Gordon Talge at gtalge{at}PE.NET wrote:
    > Jared Sherman wrote:
    >> Herb-
    >> Ergh, that we've all got computers and don't want to kill trees?
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "Herbert Prinz" 
    >> To: 
    >> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:23 PM
    >> Subject: Nautical Almanac Usage
    >> Hello All Stations,
    >> In a discussion about the role of CN at sea, Ken Gebhart pointed out
    >> that the sales of Almanacs would probably be a good indicator. After a
    >> little survey, I found out that out of over 200 members of the
    >> navigation list, zero members are currently in possession of the
    >> government edition of the Nautical Almanac for the year 2005. What may
    >> we conclude from this data?
    >> Herbert Prinz
    > Probably Not Much.
    > I usually get my NA from the GPO Bookstore in Los Angeles. I like
    > the Government edition the best.
    > My understanding is that the British Edition is identical to the
    > US edition, expect the price. HMNAO want big bucks or should I
    > say big quid for their version. I have run into some Brits that
    > buy US editions because of the price.
    > There is also a cheaper "Commercial Edition" available, since the
    > NAO's Almanac is for the most part, not copyrighted and is data is
    > made freely available.
    > I haven't gotten the 2005 edition, because I just haven't gotten
    > around to ordering it yet.
    > As for the "Air Almanac", if I was actually going to sea and
    > doing real ( not arm chair ) navigation I would probably get
    > it too. But just for casual use, it is quite expensive, about
    > $65 ( maybe more now ), the last time I checked.
    > -- Gordon
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    Gordon, et al,
    I must interject to counter a misconception.  The British own the copyright
    to both the HMNAO and USGPO version (and to those of any other countries to
    which they supply the data).  The fact that the USGPO prints and sells them
    to the public does not place it in the public domain for copyright purposes,
    as all other publications printed by them are.
    Until about six years ago, the US Edition was copied and published as the
    Commercial Edition without permission or royalty payment simply because the
    British had not asked for it.  Since then substantial royalties have been
    paid annually to the British for the rights to publish the Commercial
    Edition, and for furnishing the digital data from which it is printed.
    Ken Gebhart

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