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    Re: Mr. van Asten
    From: Greg R_
    Date: 2013 May 1, 23:01 -0700
    So I'm curious why Beloved Leader Gillespie hasn't kicked you off the site? Or maybe he tolerates some disagreement with the Official Line?

    --- On Wed, 5/1/13, Gary LaPook <garylapook@pacbell.net> wrote:

    From: Gary LaPook <garylapook@pacbell.net>
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Mr. van Asten
    To: gregr_ingest@yahoo.com
    Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 10:47 PM


    Yes I have gotten positive feedback from TIGHAR members and I have even been thanked by one guy because he had planned to contribute a lot of money to TIGHAR and he changed his mind after reading my site. I attended the TIGHAR symposium in D.C. last June and, to my surprise, I was treated as a hero by a great number of the other TIGHAR members, they wouldn't let me  buy a drink at the bar for two nights!

    gl

    --- On Wed, 5/1/13, Greg R_ <gregr_ingest---com> wrote:

    From: Greg R_ <gregr_ingest---com>
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Mr. van Asten
    To: garylapook---net
    Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 10:28 PM


    You would be the last person I'd accuse of being in a cult. 

    I've seen your website, any positive feedback from the cult members? Never ceases to amaze me what some people will believe, despite overwhelming credible evidence to the contrary.



    --- On Wed, 5/1/13, Gary LaPook <garylapook---net> wrote:

    From: Gary LaPook <garylapook---net>
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Mr. van Asten
    To: gregr_ingest---com
    Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 10:10 PM


    Well you can't accuse me of being a member of the cult, I have been posting on TIGHAR since 2002, always disputing their claims. I even set  up a website to make information available so that others could evaluate the TIGHAR theory and see for themselves that it doesn't make sense, take a look:

    https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/

    gl

    --- On Wed, 5/1/13, Greg R_ <gregr_ingest---com> wrote:

    From: Greg R_ <gregr_ingest---com>
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Mr. van Asten
    To: garylapook---net
    Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 9:32 PM


    As usual, the Gillespie�cult does not like people disagreeing with Beloved Leader. Wonder when (or maybe if) the deluded sheeple will ever learn that their
     emperor has no clothes?
    
    
    --- On Wed, 5/1/13, Gary LaPook  wrote:
    
    From: Gary LaPook 
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Mr. van Asten
    To: gregr_ingest---com
    Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 9:26 PM
    
    Here is the entire exchange between van Asten and others on the TIGHAR 
    forum. The final post is Ric Gillespie, the head of TIGHAR, removing van
     Asten from the forum, Judge for yourselves. (It starts at this link:
    
    https://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,383.msg5666.html#msg5666 )
    
    (van Asten is red; I'm blue; others are black.)
    
    It started with this� van Asten's post:
    � Reply #120 on: September 09, 2011, 02:57:54 PM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						A Fixed Square Search is the in 
    first line evasion from getting astray , as soon as destination does not
     run in sight at ETA . Such searches (also if circular) are very 
    waisteful on fuel so , if you are low your risk to run out on one of the
     first search legs is too geat . Generally it is in the manuals 
    prescribed not to leave a position line once you are on it for the sake 
    of rescuers having a guideline .
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    � Reply #124 on: September 09, 2011, 05:32:53 PM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						
    What manual recommends this procedure Mr. Van Asten? It would likely make interesting reading. 
    					
    				
    					Respectfully Submitted;
    
    Irv
    �------------------------------------------
    � Reply #125 on: September 10, 2011, 03:31:25 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Navigator�s Information File NIF ,
     1944 April imprint , Section 3 , � 17 . 1 . "Landfalls" . Mr.Lapook has
     on this forum given a link to this manual , if you do not possess it .
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    � Reply #126 on: September 10, 2011, 11:55:36 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						------------------------------
    Well
     there is nothing in this manual that supports Mr. van Asten's statement
     nor in any of the other manual excerpts that I put on my website. Here 
    is a link to that document on my web site, see if you can find any 
    mention of "rescuers" as van Asten claims. 
    https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/navigator-s-information-file-1944
    
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    � Reply #127 on: September 10, 2011, 01:29:26 PM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						pt. 4 of the paragraph : "Stay on
     this line of position until another line of position shows you to be 
    off course . pt. 5 . Then repeat the process . But stay on a line of 
    position through destination . There is no ETA in a landfall other than 
    your best known groundspeed" .
    					
    				---------------------------------------------------------
    � Reply #130 on: September 11, 2011, 08:35:21 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						I do not claim "rescuers" , but 
    it is clear , qualitate qua , and separating details from headlines , 
    that searching along a line is more productive than searching at random ,
     so if on a line and in distress : stay where you are is the word .
    
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    � Reply #132 on: September 11, 2011, 08:44:41 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Quote from: Mona Kendrick on September 09, 2011, 03:47:40 PMQuote from: h.a.c. van asten on September 09, 2011, 02:57:54 PM.
     Generally it is in the manuals prescribed not to leave a position line 
    once you are on it for the sake of rescuers having a guideline .
    
    � � �A very interesting point that hasn't been brought up before on the forum.
    
    Mona
    
    And meaningless without a citation for what manuals he's talking about it. 
    
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    � Reply #133 on: September 11, 2011, 11:16:06 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Navigator�s Information File , Section 3 , � 7 - 1 .
    
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    � Reply #134 on: September 11, 2011, 11:35:10 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						
    So
     it's just one manual, not "the manuals."� When published?� If you're 
    suggesting that it is something that may have influenced Noonan on July 
    2, 1937 it has to be published prior to that date.
    					
    				
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    � Reply #136 on: September 11, 2011, 02:55:34 PM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Quote from: h.a.c. van asten on September 11, 2011, 08:35:21 AMI do not claim "rescuers" ,
     but it is clear , qualitate qua , and separating details from headlines
     , that searching along a line is more productive than searching at 
    random , so if on a line and in distress : stay where you are is the 
    word .
    -------------------------------------------
    Just
     scroll up on this topic to van Asten's reply# 120 and you will see that
     he did "claim rescuers", this is just another example� of Mr. van 
    Asten's prevarications. Also scroll up to reply # 118. For those who 
    might have come in late, see my prior post at:
    
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    � Reply #137 on: September 11, 2011, 11:50:11 PM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Why would rescuers be "claimed" ?
     The NIF texts do not contain the rescue item , but it is clear from 
    itself that if you leave the line you are flying along , without having 
    definite coordinates , you obstruct future rescue operations , 
    especially if no flight plan has been left behind ---
    
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    � Reply #138 on: September 12, 2011, 01:38:18 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						---------------------------------
    
    Yes, why indeed did you write those words? Scroll up to reply # 120 and read those words that you wrote.
    
    gl
    					
    				
    
    					
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    � Reply #139 on: September 12, 2011, 02:28:09 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Yes the rescue supposition was an
     addition of myself , being the assumed rescue feature self evident ; 
    remember that there are essentials and inessentials .
    
    ---------------------------------------------------
    
    					
    						
    � Reply #141 on: September 12, 2011, 08:35:34 AM �(from� Gillespie)
    
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Quote from: h.a.c. van asten on September 12, 2011, 02:28:09 AMYes
     the rescue supposition was an addition of myself , being the assumed 
    rescue feature self evident ; remember that there are essentials and 
    inessentials .
    
    One of the essentials of this forum is intellectual honesty.� I have asked Marty to remove you from the forum.
    					
    				--------------------------------------------------
    � Reply #142 on: September 12, 2011, 10:17:00 AM �
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						� ?? I do not see anything wrong ,
     I was giving a partial overview of a NIF paragraph with the addition 
    that staying on a line is in favor of future rescue parties , is that 
    forbidden ?
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    � Reply #143 on: September 12, 2011, 10:22:52 AM �(from Gillespie)
    
    							
    						
    					
    					
    						
    						Quote from: h.a.c. van asten on September 12, 2011, 10:17:00 AM�
     ?? I do not see anything wrong , I was giving a partial overview of a 
    NIF paragraph with the addition that staying on a line is in favor of 
    future rescue parties , is that forbidden ?
    
    Baloney.
     You wrote: "Generally it is in the manuals prescribed not to leave a 
    position line once you are on it for the sake of rescuers having a 
    guideline."
    
    By your own admission that was an intentional outright falsehood.� Good bye Mr. Van Asten.
    
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    --- On Wed, 5/1/13, h.a.c. van Asten  wrote:
    
    From: h.a.c. van Asten 
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Mr. van Asten
    To: garylapook---net
    Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 1:57 AM
    
    I was removed from the TIGHAR forum since I cited some paragraph about staying on a position line you are now on . I additionally wrote that the statement was evidently for safety concerning later if needed rescue operations . TIGHAR was already hostile from the beginning when the EJN articles appeared ; they were dangerous for their "believers" , especially after the April 2011 no.3 EJN article  . A mr.Gillespie used my addition as a fallacy to ban me , "not to expire" from his forum , like he later did with many
     other commenters bringing into discussion the unreliability of the TIGHAR "hypothesis" of their "Earhart Project" . After the exclusion having been declared I off the record received congratulations from several US citizens . Eventually , if you have a consistent theory (no errors against logic), why would it be necessary to [quote]"shade the truth and modify quotes to suit his purposes"[unquote] ? Someone stating that has an ego the size of a ballroom and zero insight in the mores of the world of sciences .
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