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Re: Moon Occultation of Jupiter
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2004 Dec 1, 01:32 EST
And wrote:
From: Frank Reed CT
Date: 2004 Dec 1, 01:32 EST
George H wrote:
"1. Jupiter doesn't extinguish all that suddenly. Jupiter has a
semidiameter
of nearly an arc-minute, a diameter of nearly 2'. The Moon moves with
respect to the background of stars at about 30 minutes in an hour, so it
would take about 4 minutes in all to shut down Jupiter's light altogether,
and more if Jupiter wasn't crossing the midplane of the Moon. So, you might
suggest, just time the last-gasp of the light, which should be pretty
sudden. But then, that moment would depend on the light-gathering power of
your telescope, and different observers are likely to disagree about the
moment. For this reason, an occultation of a star would be better: that
happens instantaneously."
of nearly an arc-minute, a diameter of nearly 2'. The Moon moves with
respect to the background of stars at about 30 minutes in an hour, so it
would take about 4 minutes in all to shut down Jupiter's light altogether,
and more if Jupiter wasn't crossing the midplane of the Moon. So, you might
suggest, just time the last-gasp of the light, which should be pretty
sudden. But then, that moment would depend on the light-gathering power of
your telescope, and different observers are likely to disagree about the
moment. For this reason, an occultation of a star would be better: that
happens instantaneously."
I'm guessing that you've never watched an occultation of a planet by the
Moon. The last-gasp is actually rather easy to time and different observers (at
the same site) are not likely to disagree by more than a couple of seconds. You
could also time the initial contact.
And wrote:
"2. The Moon, because it is so close to Earth, isn't in the same
direction
when seen by different observers, at different places on Earth. Because of
parallax, the apparent Moon can be shifted by a whole degree from the point
in the stars where an observer exactly below the Moon would see it. The
Moon is only about 30 minutes across, so many observers wouldn't see the
occultation at all, and others would see Jupiter cross the Moon at very
different times and at different "levels", taking different times to cross.
An observer could allow for this parallax if he knew just where he was on
the Earth's surface. Unfortunately, that's just what he needs to find out.
So the "very elementary lunar calculation" that David describes is
unattainable."
when seen by different observers, at different places on Earth. Because of
parallax, the apparent Moon can be shifted by a whole degree from the point
in the stars where an observer exactly below the Moon would see it. The
Moon is only about 30 minutes across, so many observers wouldn't see the
occultation at all, and others would see Jupiter cross the Moon at very
different times and at different "levels", taking different times to cross.
An observer could allow for this parallax if he knew just where he was on
the Earth's surface. Unfortunately, that's just what he needs to find out.
So the "very elementary lunar calculation" that David describes is
unattainable."
Unattainable? That's just not so. It's a fairly tedious calculation, that's
for sure.
And:
"3. The extinguishing of Jupiter's light as it's overtaken by the Moon is
easy to see, if that part of the Moon's disc is dark, as it is around first
quarter. But when it happens at last quarter, that part of the Moon is
brightly lit, and then it's difficult (impossible?) to make out the planet
from the Moon as it's appproached and swallowed-up."
"3. The extinguishing of Jupiter's light as it's overtaken by the Moon is
easy to see, if that part of the Moon's disc is dark, as it is around first
quarter. But when it happens at last quarter, that part of the Moon is
brightly lit, and then it's difficult (impossible?) to make out the planet
from the Moon as it's appproached and swallowed-up."
Jupiter is very bright. It can be seen right up to the last moment of the
occulation using binoculars (or a small telescope).
And:
"It's more difficult to time re-emergence than extinction, because it takes
the observer rather by surprise."
That's true.
Frank R
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[ ] Mystic, Connecticut
[X] Chicago, Illinois