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    Re: Master & Commander
    From: Fred Hebard
    Date: 2003 Dec 10, 00:11 -0500

    Very nice discourse.  I understand, from O'Brian of course, that some
    commissioned officers could come up through the "hawse hole,"
    especially early in the life of the British Navy.  So that
    non-gentleman could become gentlemen by that route.  Comments?
    Fred Hebard
    On Dec 9, 2003, at 6:41 PM, Trevor J. Kenchington wrote:
    > Jan Kalivoda asked:
    >> please, can you explain the passage repeated below in more detail? I
    >> am sorry, but don't understand your interesting statements and I wish
    >> to understand them. Thank you.
    >>> Midshipmen, incidentally, were not one rung up from seamen but (in
    >>> some
    >>> ways) one rung down from Lieutenants. In theory, they stood lower in
    >>> the
    >>> on-board hierarchy but simultaneously they were seen as Sea
    >>> Officers-in-training and treated accordingly. So were those
    >>> ex-Midshipmen who had passed a Lieutenants and were serving as
    >>> Master's
    >>> Mates while awaiting an appointment to commissioned rank, while those
    >>> seamen who had risen to Master's Mates on their way to a Master's
    >>> warrant were not.
    > A full explanation would need to be book length and the best way to
    > provide that is to refer those interested to the definitive study: "The
    > Wooden World" by N.A.M. Rodger.

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