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Re: Lunar trouble, need help
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jul 8, 19:57 +0100
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2008 Jul 8, 19:57 +0100
Responding to my question about watches used at sea at the start of the 18th century, Ken Muldrew quoted from _The_Industrious_Revolution_ by Jan de Vries (CUP 2008) "European watch production rose from the tens of thousands per year at the time of the pocket globe�s introduction [1697] to nearly 400,000 per year in the last quarter of the eighteenth century. ... Parisian inventories reveal that as early as 1700, 13 percent of servants and 5 percent of wage earners owned a watch." and I had asked for details about that "pocket globe" and for any quoted references. Ken has usefully replied, about the pocket globe- "It seems like a miniature astrolabe, perhaps with the stars rotating through a watch mechanism (though he doesn't say whether there was any spring-driven mechanism in it). He only references a Dutch advertisement from 1697 for the pocket globe. It seems it's meant as an example of what Adam Smith called "trinkets of frivolous utility"--an early modern example of conspicuous consumption." It seems likely, then, that such a "trinket" didn't really count as what we would call a watch at all; certainly not, if it had no spring-driven mechanism. Could it have been, perhaps, some sort of pocket sundial (which abounded then) or even a small armillary sphere? Not much evidence to go on here, yet, but on the face of it, unlikely to have been useful to a ship's officer. Ken quotes references to- "David Landes. Revolution in Time. Clocks and the making of the modern world. Cambridge, Mass. Harvard University Press, 1983. p. 231; p. 442.". I have his revised edition of 2000, and there's nothing at all relevant on either of those two pages there, so it's probably been repaged. However, I don't recall seeing that information elsewhere, in my edition, though I could well have missed it. If anyone has that 1983 edition of Landes, I would appreciate it if he could identify such a quote, from those two pages, and offer a bit of guidance, such as chapter number, and how far in. The mention on page 442 is probably to an endnote, and it would be useful to know the chapter and page that is referred to there. However, I've failed, so far, to find any backing in Landes for any of the de Vries claims that have been quoted. Was de Vries any sort of accepted authority on timekeepers, as Landes certainly is? Pocket watches certainly existed before 1700, from the Nuremberg "egg" in around 1530 to the French "onion" in the 1670s (and no doubt other delicacies in between) but until the balance-spring was adopted, they were all verge-and-foliot construction. Nothing too wrong about the verge escapement, but the foliot was no more than a little "dumbell" that was batted to and fro by the escapement. Without any "tuning", the harder it was pushed by the mainspring, the faster it went. Timekeeping was so rotten that they tended to have just an hour hand. Would such a crude device have served any purpose as a deck-watch, to a navigator? Perhaps it might have been marginally better than a sand-glass. But I'm aware of no references, in logs or journals, from 1700, to the use of such a watch. However, that doesn't mean there were none, and if there were any, I would be interested to learn further details. Of course, it wouldn't be until the 1760s that the first watches, good enough to determine longitude, would appear, but we are not discussing that sort of timekeeping here. George. contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. George. contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---