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    Re: Lunar reference
    From: Wolfgang K�berer
    Date: 2006 Apr 13, 21:03 +0200

    Gentlemen,
    
    may I add some references to the examples that George has provided:
    
    At first I agree that Chauvenet's treatment is fine and thorough as far as
    the technical side is concerned. You can buy a reprint from 'elibron' at not
    an exaggerated cost.
    
    A more elaborate presentation - with tables and examples - is contained in:
    
    H.M. Nautical Office: A Modern View of Lunar Distances, in: Journal of the
    Institute of Navigation, Vol. 19 (1966), 131 - 153.
    
    Useful may also be:
    
    D.W. Kerst, Longitude by Lunar Observations and the Pocket Calculator, in:
    Navigation (Washington), Vol. 25 (1978-79), 430 - 433.
    
    And to counterbalance the English-language bias this list evidently has,
    some continental works on the history of lunar distances and longitude
    determination:
    
    Guyot, Edmond: Histoire  de la d?termination des longitudes,
    La-Chaux-de-Fonds 1955, p. 11 - 24.
    
    Marguet, F.: Histoire de la Navigation, Paris 1931, p. 185 - 247.
    
    Capasso, Ideale: Storia della Nautica, Genova 1994, p. 93 - 112.
    
    Andresen, Peter Boy: Die Geschichte der Monddistanzen, Hamburg 1924 (Reprint
    Marbach 1986).
    
    Hassencamp, Johann Matthias: Kurze Geschichte der Bem?hungen die Meeresl?nge
    zu erfinden, Rintelen 1769. (I admit, that this may be a bit difficult to
    find)
    
    Finally there is:
    
    Jullien, Vincent (Ed.), Le calcul des longitudes, Rennes 2002.
    
    Regards, Wolfgang
    
    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: Navigation Mailing List
    [mailto:NAVIGATION-L{at}LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM]Im Auftrag von George
    Huxtable
    Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. April 2006 22:56
    An: NAVIGATION-L{at}LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM
    Betreff: Re: Lunar refernce
    
    
    Alex had written-
    
    | There are several books (I know one!) and websites
    | on the Lunars, all of them  were extensively discussed
    | on this list. The best website (on my opinioon) is
    | www.clockwk.com/lunars/
    
    and I asked him-
    | > What is the one book on lunars that he refers to?
    
    his reply was-
    
    | Bruce Stark, Tables for clearing the LD's, 45 EU
    | listed on
    | www.navastro.fr/en/index.html?p236.html
    | (Sorry, I did not mean to violate the list policy
    | prohibiting advertising. Disclaimer: I have never seen the
    | book. I judge from the advertising and ocasional references
    | on this list).
    
    ======================
    
    I have a few comments about what Alex has said above.
    
    Although this list has done its best to prevent actual advertising (and with
    some success), I doubt if that term covers an honest
    expression of opinion, in favour of a product or against. And that applies
    particularly to books, which are freely praised or
    criticised on this list, just as they should be.
    
    Alex did not mention the title of the book he was thinking of, until I
    forced it out of him. He was wise, in the circumstances. I
    had taken it that he was perhaps endorsing a suitable account of lunars, for
    explaining matters to a beginner. But he wasn't; he was
    just saying that he knew of just one modern work devoted to lunars. Bruce's
    work is the one, and Alex hasn't seen it.
    
    I think we should make it clear, at this stage, what a reader will find in
    Bruce Stark's "Tables for clearing the Lunar Distance,
    and finding GMT by sextant observation". It does exactly what it says on the
    cover. 98% of the book consists of tables of numbers.
    It has been assembled, with great cunning and originality of thought, to
    lighten the arithmetical drudgery of converting
    observations into positions. It does that job superlatively well; a very
    workable alternative to using solutions programmed on a
    computer or calculator. It's available from Celestaire.
    
    But it is NOT a work which describes or explains lunar distances in any
    detail; and I doubt whether even Bruce Stark would claim
    that it did. There are half-a-dozen useful pages, about how to work the
    tables with the sextant observation, including a bit about
    the general principles underlying the lunar distance method, with a
    smattering of history. But that's all. Anyone buying Bruce's
    book on the understanding that it would teach him about the lunar distance
    method, would be disappointed when a big (and rather
    expensive) work arrived at his door, full of numbers.
    
    I wish that I could recommend an alternative for a beginner in lunars to
    read, but I can't. There isn't such a book. It doesn't
    exist. It would be good if someone were to produce one, to do the same job
    for lunars, and for Nevil Maskelyne, that Dava Sobel did
    for John Harrison and the chronometer. And do it better than she did (which
    would not be difficult).
    
    There are bits in books, that help to explain lunars. We have discussed
    these before, but it will do no harm to go through them
    again, for new members.
    
    There's a chapter, by Derek Howse, in "The Quest for Longitude" (ed.
    Andrewes, Harvard 1996). That's the record of the proceedings
    of a conference on that subject, which might have been dull, but isn't at
    all. Most of it is about the development of timepieces.
    It's beautifully produced, though an expensive buy.
    
    Howse has also contributed a chapter on "Navigation and Astronomy in the
    Voyages", to a book on Pacific exploration, edited by him,
    "Background to discovery" (Univ. of California press, 1990). That chapter
    has a reasonable, though non-mathematical, account of
    lunars.
    
    There quite a big section on lunars in "A History of Nautical Astronomy", by
    Charles H Cotter (1968). This is thorough, but not easy
    going in my view. That's fair enough; the lunar method takes quite a bit of
    explaining. As well as lunars, it has a full treatment
    of other methods of celestial navigation. It has a serious defect, however,
    in that it's littered with errors in the technical
    details. A list of known or suspected errors is available on request. Cotter
    is long out-of-print, and becoming rather rare, so it
    has got rather pricy. If you find a secondhand copy at less than ?50 ($80),
    you have done well. It's a mine of material, that can be
    found nowhere else, except by digging through old publications in a good
    library.
    
    Short sections on the lunar distance method can be found in "A history of
    the practice of navigation", by J B Hewson (Brown, 1951 to
    1983) and in "A history of marine navigation", W E May, (Norton, 1973).
    
    A book which has not (I think) been touched on here before, and which has a
    brief mention of lunars, is "Thinkers and Tinkers", by
    Silvio A Bedini (1975, reprint 1983). This could be of particular interest
    to American readers, being about early American men of
    science, which includes astronomers and nautical instrument makers. Lots of
    pictures of instruments. Bedini was Keeper of rare
    books, at the Smithsonian.
    
    If anyone can suggest other works that provide useful information about
    lunars, I would be pleased to hear of them.
    
    George
    
    ==============
    
    contact George Huxtable at george---.u-net.com
    or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222)
    or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.
    
    
    

       
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