NavList:
A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding
Re: Lunar Distance in Wikipedia
From: James R. Van Zandt
Date: 2007 Aug 23, 21:53 -0400
From: James R. Van Zandt
Date: 2007 Aug 23, 21:53 -0400
I agree with George's comments. I have a couple of additional points: First is a minor one. I didn't like this statement: At that moment, anyone on the surface of the earth who can see the same two bodies will observe the same angle (after correcting for errors). Strictly speaking, the only significant "errors" are sextant and reading errors, and the mariner has no way of "correcting" those. Aside from that, the lunar distance observed by the mariner differs from what would be seen by the imaginary observer at the center of a transparent earth because of parallax and refraction. However, I'm uncomfortable calling one of those observations more "erroneous" than the other. They are observations of different things. My first thought was to change the parenthetical statement to "(after corrections)", but I still didn't like it. The only way two people will both "observe" the angle listed in the almanac is if they are both at the center of the earth, and *not* "on the surface". One could say "(after adjustments)", but it would still be wrong - the people at different places are not actually "observing" the same angle, they are *calculating* the same angle. At that point I decided the sentence had too many problems and deleted it. However, I didn't record any rationale on the "discussions" page, and it was restored. Could we agree to something like this: At that moment, anyone on the surface of the earth who can see the same two bodies can observe that angle and determine what time it is. My second point concerns the "method" discussion. A couple of versions ago, it ended this way: Knowing Greenwich time and local time, the navigator can work out longitude. I changed that to Knowing Greenwich time and the altitudes of the moon and the other body, the navigator can apply the [[intercept method]] to find his latitude and longitude. Alternately, the navigator can [[longitude by chronometer|first determine local time, and then longitude]]. At present, it says Having found the time, and having the altitude of a star as well as the Moon, the navigator can now use the techniques of [[Celestial Navigation]] to find the vessel's position at the time of the observation.[1] I don't mind removing the reference to the intercept method, which came later. However, the current link to Celestial_navigation has the same problem. That page actually starts by showing two circular lines of position derived from two altitude measurements. But mariners could not do that calculation until the intercept method was invented! My reference to [[longitude by chronometer]] was really to the concept that knowing the (Greenwich) time and one altitude lets you calculate the longitude. A chronometer is one source of the time. The lunar is another source of time. That's why I changed the wording of the reference, so what the reader sees is "first determine local time, and then longitude". So, if there is only one cross-reference, I think [[longitude by chronometer]] is more appropriate than [[celestial navigation]]. (By the way, I still think the "longitude by chronometer" page needs some work.) - Jim Van Zandt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to NavList@fer3.com To , send email to NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---