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Re: Lunar Distance in Wikipedia
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2007 Jul 26, 00:51 +0100
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2007 Jul 26, 00:51 +0100
Renee Mattie is applying a bit of discipline to the Wikipedia entry on Lunar Distance (Navigation), and a good thing too. But it's still not right, as I see it, and a bit more tinkering may be called for. It now reads- "Theory The local time at Greenwich is always one hour later than the local time 15 degrees West of Greenwich. Suppose one person observes the moon at Greenwich at local apparent noon (when the sun crosses the observer's meridian). Then suppose a second person observes the moon 15 degrees West of Greenwich, also at local apparent noon. The two observations take place one hour apart. The second observer will see the moon in a different position than the first observer did because, during that hour, the moon would have moved approximately its own diameter across the sky." But in that hour, the Moon, just like any other object near the ecliptic, moves through something like 15 degrees across the sky; far more than its diameter. What the observers have to measure is the position of the Moon with respect to the star background, or the Sun, which is where the lunar distance comes in. It's that angle that changes by a Moon diameter in an hour, roughly speaking. And of course, there's no call for that mythical observer at Greenwich anyway; what he would measure has been predicted in the almanac. What I'm suggesting is that the whole paragraph could do with a wholesale revision, rather than tinkering with one clause at a time. What's the best way for that to be done, collectively, by this list? We're as clueful a body as any to apply our wisdom to the job. It seems counterproductive for Renee to make a change, then another of us to follow it up by another piecemeal edit process, and so on. Wouldn't it be better for us, on this list, to thrash out a text we all can agree on, if that's possible, and then Renee, who has shown herself to be so adept, can act as our ambassador and make the change on the list's behalf. Does that make sense? Would anyone like to set the ball rolling? And it's not just that paragraph. The introductory paragraph to the whole article reads- "In celestial navigation, lunar distance is the angle of the Moon's centre from the Sun or a bright star as measured using a sextant. Given a lunar distance and a nautical almanac, it is possible to calculate the difference between local current time - obtained by observing the height of the moon and the second celestial object - and current time at the meridian of the nautical almanac - usually Greenwich - which gives the difference in longitude between the two places." Indeed, taking a lunar, it is necessary to observe "the height of the Moon and the second celestial object", but that's mainly in order to get information for "clearing" the lunar distance: correcting it for the effects of parallax and refraction. It's quite true that under certain circumstances, either the Moon altitude or the star altitude (no need for both), might be used to determine local timebut usually local time will be found separately, from a different observation. The text gives quite a misleading impression of why those altitudes are needed. =================== If we took a rigorous look at the whole piece, it's likely we would uncover more deficiencies. All I have done, so far, is to quickly scan it over. George. contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to NavList@fer3.com To , send email to NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---