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    Re: LAN curve parabola?
    From: Fred Hebard
    Date: 2019 Nov 23, 13:58 -0500

    Aside from observing the scatter of shots around the parabola-like curve of the sun's altitude at noon, at most any time of day or night you could determine the difference between an objects' known altitude, Hc, and its observed altitude, Ho.   Hc can be calculated either from an assumed position or a known one.  Here we’re using a known position.  

    Best Regards,

    Fred Hebard

    On Nov 23, 2019, at 12:46, Jim Rives <NoReply_JimRives@fer3.com> wrote:

    Thanks Frank, 

    I tried the paper folding trick and interestingly it folds at about 1 minute earlier for LAN than my tangent line.  It is probably more accurate because the flatness at the top of the curve make it a little difficult to find the peak of the curve. The right-hand fold in the picture attached is the fold as you suggested. 

    I had thought I was looking at a parabola but when I considered it further it occurred to me that eventually the sun would come around the earth behind me closing the curve... so maybe an elipse I thought.  But it appears that a parabola for this section of line is close enough. 

    I am actually interested in the use of excel, and eventually a purpose built program using the algorithm in the Nautical Almanac, for two reasons. One.. it is pretty time consuming to make these graphs by hand.  Secondly, I am teaching a friend who is a "shooter" ie rifles, and he finds a huge similarity between sighting a target and sighting the sun on the horizon. The crazy round of second doubts when sighting a sun on the horizon and the target picture shooting a gun are similar. Did I "actually" get it on target when I said "mark"or squeezed the trigger.   We thought it might be useful to have a way of measuring the variability of our sun observations around the mean to see if we are getting better over time...or not. So far, we have determined that propping the arm on a table, as you might with a rifle, does enhance the accuracy of the shot.  When I was a navigator in the Navy back in the day sitting at a table wasn't even a remote possibility, for obvious reasons.  So, since I never go to sea anymore, I am a land-bound navigator.  At least the ocean is nearby!  

    So a parabola is a quadratic equation.  I may actually find a use for the quadratic equation I dreaded in 7th grade and never had a clue why we needed to know it! I still wake up periodically in a cold sweat!  

    Thanks for your input, as always. I follow this thread and am in awe of the knowledge you and your other contributors have.  Believe me, there is absolutely no one I personally know who knows the first thing about celestial navigation.  Their loss....   


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