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Re: Intermediate points in great circle courses
From: William Trayfors
Date: 1999 Jul 25, 2:10 PM
From: William Trayfors
Date: 1999 Jul 25, 2:10 PM
Lu: I have an old DOS navigation program which I love, and which has four options for Great Circle calculations plus one for rhumb line: Planning by Great Circle/Mercator Sailing A GREAT CIRCLE B GREAT CIRCLE with LON INTERCEPT C GREAT CIRCLE with INCREMENTAL DIST D COMPOSITE SAIL with MAX LATITUDE E RHUMB LINE It's called PC Navigator and has been around for years. I love it's simplicity, accuracy, and incredible speed. Option "B" will give you a listing of the LAT/LON at intervals you determine (e.g., every 5 degrees of longitude) and the course, distance, and total distance. It also does other calculations, e.g., Piloting and Dead Reckoning F COURSE & SPEED MADE GOOD G COURSE & SPEED STEERED H TRUE WIND I APPARENT WIND J DISTANCE TO OBJECT K DEAD RECKONING L UPDATE DR and Positioning by Celestial Observation M DAWN PLANNER N NOON PLANNER O DUSK PLANNER P BODY FINDER Q RISE, TRANSIT & SET TIMES R ALMANAC S SIGHT REDUCTION to LOP T NOON FIX U LOPs to FIX V DELETE LOP from FILE File Management Utilities W EDIT DATA FILE X SET DATE & TIME Bill At 11:33 AM 7/25/99 -0700, you wrote: >A friend of mine who is not a sailor but an avid electronic gadgeteer >showed up the other day with his new handheld GPS. He asked me how far >away the destination point could be in finding course and distance. "As >far as you want." To demonstrate, I pulled out an atlas and we punched in >the L/Lo of Times Square in New York City (we're in San Jose, California). > >He noticed the indicated course was a bit more northerly than one would get >from the atlas. I told him the GPS was calculating great circle courses, >which always run more pole-ward than straight-line (rhumb line) courses. >He's a smart guy -- he's heard of great circle courses and understands what >they are. > >He asked how to calculate a great circle course. I pulled out the USPS JN >text and looked up the spherical trig formulae. He whipped out his laptop >computer and in a couple of minutes had an Excel spreadsheet which took two >L/Lo's and calculated distance and initial heading. The results were in >excellent agreement with what the GPS was displaying for course and >distance to NYC. > >A couple of days later he asked: "Lu, how do you steer a great circle >course? How do you know what your headings should be as you sail or fly >along a great circle?" > >I told him that one would plot several intermediate points of the course on >a Mercator chart and then steer the rhumb-line courses between them. Then >I realized I didn't know how to find intermediate points. > >My copy of Bowditch has grown feet and disappeared. Dutton's only advice >(as well as the USPS's) is "use a great circle chart and transfer points to >your Mercator chart." > >Since a great circle course is one side of a spherical triangle with the >start and end points and the elevated pole as vertices, I would assume I >could calculate the latitude of a point on the course for any DLo, but my >spherical trig is really rusty and I don't have a book of formulae. > >I'll also point out that one could solve the problem in a fraction of a >second on a computer using a technique known as iteration: If I want the >latitude of a point on the course for some intermediate longitude, guess >one (say by simple plane trig using the initial course), calculate the >course to it from the starting point, if the course is more pole-ward than >the great circle then the assumed point's latitude is too great and it >needs to be reduced; if the course is more equator-ward, then the latitude >is too low. The key is to adjust the latitude by an amount which is >proportionate to the course error. If one does this repeatedly, the >assumed point will get as close as one wants to the great circle. > >Thanks for helping fill out what I suddenly realize is a hole in my knowledge! > >Lu Abel >