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    Re: How Many Chronometers?
    From: Gary LaPook
    Date: 2009 Sep 21, 12:48 -0700

    And there is always the trusty duct tape.

    gl
    --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Greg Rudzinski <gregrudzinski@yahoo.com> wrote:

    From: Greg Rudzinski <gregrudzinski@yahoo.com>
    Subject: [NavList 9841] Re: How Many Chronometers?
    To: "NavList" <navlist@fer3.com>
    Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 12:45 PM


    Wolfgang,

    Three digital watches (especially ladies watches) can be threaded onto
    a single velcro watch band. The velcro watch band can also wrap around
    a dogtag chain to be worn against the chest inside the shirt. A third
    option would be to velcro around the belt then tuck into the waist
    band. For those with non human help then the ships mascot can be given
    the collateral duty of time keeper ;-)

    Greg

    On Sep 21, 10:11 am, Wolfgang Hasper <wolfgang.has...@web.de> wrote:
    > Gary and all
    >
    > the idea of using cheap quartz watches was to find an accurate yet simple
    > solution.
    > With an oven that constantly relies on energy supply this goal is in danger.
    >
    > I feel that body heat is very precisely controlled (BRAIN 1.0) and should
    > provide such a simple and inexpensive solution.
    >
    > I wonder what temperature is actually encountered inside a wristwatch worn in
    > the normal fashion (behind a stainless back and protected from outside
    > conditions by the movement and front glass? Couldn't that be measured to
    > answer the question?
    > Maybe it is pretty constant already. heated when cold, evaporation cooled when
    > hot and coupled to a thermal mass of 75 kilogrammes of (mainly) water in
    > circulation.
    >
    > Perhaps an insulating cover helps to further improve the effect.
    >
    > The challenge then is to wear three wristwatches at the same time.
    > Upgrade to four for symmety?
    >
    > Wolfgang
    >
    > Am Sonntag, 20. September 2009 21:55 schrieb Gary LaPook:
    >
    > > Here is a simple circuit for an "oven" to stabilize the watches. It uses
    > > only  three ICs,  three diodes, one LED, three capacitors, six
    > > resistors, one potentiometer and one thermistor, probably less than
    > > thirty bucks. The current consumption is only three watts which means it
    > > can supply almost 13 calories per second, plenty of heat to keep the
    > > watches warm in an insulated box. (I made a jacket liner which is
    > > electrically heated from my motorcycle electrical system. It puts out
    > > only 40 watts and it keeps ME toasty warm even on cold days.) After the
    > > temperature is established the current consumption should be much less.
    > > This was found at:
    >
    > >http://www.solorb.com/elect/constemp/index.html
    >
    > > gl
    >
    > >   Constant Temperature Circuit
    >
    > > (C) G. Forrest Cook 1997
    >
    > >       Introduction
    >
    > > Description: This circuit is a generic low power temperature controller
    > > that can be used for stabilizing temperature sensitive electronic
    > > circuits. It was built to stabilize a radio frequency VFO (Variable
    > > Frequency Oscillator) for ham radio applications. The circuit has also
    > > been used to lower the drift of a Ramsey FM10a micropower FM transmitter.
    >
    > >       Theory
    >
    > > The 7805 voltage regulator provides a reference voltage that is fed into
    > > a resistive bridge formed on one side by the 20K trimmer and the other
    > > side by the 3.3K resistor and the 1K/thermistor combination. The
    > > termistor is an NTC (Negative Temperature Coefficient) type. The op-amp
    > > is run in a differential mode and tries to keep its inputs at the same
    > > potential by the thermal feedback loop formed by the heater and the
    > > thermistor.
    >
    > > The three 1N4001 diodes are used to bias the emitter of the transistor
    > > up enough that it can shut off fully with the limited voltage swing from
    > > the 741 op-amp. The heating indicator LED (a standard red LED) also taps
    > > off of the same diode ladder to enable it to shut off entirely.
    >
    > > The value of the (1uF) capacitor in the op-amp feedback loop may need to
    > > be adjusted if the circuit "rings", or swings back and forth before
    > > stabilizing on a temperature. The capacitor value is specific to the
    > > thermal mass that is being temperature stabilized.
    >
    > > The heater resistor is rated at approximately 40 ohms and 5 watts. The
    > > value of the resistor determines the heating rate and the power
    > > consumption. The resistor value should not be too low or the resulting
    > > high current will damage the 1N4001 diodes and/or the TIP122 transistor.
    >
    > >       Construction
    >
    > > I recommend building this circuit on perforated circuit board or make a
    > > PC board if you have the tools. I epoxied the thermistor and all of the
    > > heat generating components (the 40 ohm resistor, the TIP122, and the 3
    > > 1N4001 diodes) on an L shaped aluminum piece, the rest of the components
    > > were mounted on a perforated circuit board. The circuit board was then
    > > mounted on the aluminum piece with standoffs.
    >
    > > The mounting tab of the TIP122 is electrically hot, it should be
    > > isolated from the heat sink with an insulating washer, or the entire
    > > heat sink should be isolated from ground. Use heat conducting grease
    > > when mounting the transistor on the heat sink. Also be sure that the
    > > thermistor has a good thermal contact with the 40 ohm resistor. The
    > > 78L05 regulator's mounting tab does not require a heat sink, it should
    > > not be electrically isolated from the TIP122 tab.
    >
    > > The 40 ohm resistor and TIP122 heat sink should be mounted near the item
    > > that is to be temperature controlled. I recommend using forming a box of
    > > styrofoam insulation around the temperature regulator and the
    > > temperature controlled device. The insulated box will reduce power
    > > consumption, speed up the initial warm up period, and stabilize the
    > > temperature from external changes.
    >
    > >       Alignment
    >
    > > Adjust the 20K pot to center and power up the circuit. The LED should
    > > start out bright, then gradually dim down as the circuit reaches
    > > equillibrium. Put a thermometer on the 40 ohm resistor and measure the
    > > temperature. Adjust the 20K pot until the resistor reaches the
    > > temperature that you desire. If the circuit is properly built, it should
    > > not oscillate. The voltage on the 741 op-amp output (pin 6) can be
    > > monitored with a volt meter to observe the circuit's operation.
    >
    > >       Specifications
    >
    > > Operating Voltage: 10-15 Volts DC
    > > Operating Current: 250mA at 12 Volts DC input initial current
    >
    > >       Use
    >
    > > Apply power to the circuit, let all of the components warm up. The
    > > heating resistor will stabilize at a constant temperature.
    > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > > *Back* <http://www.solorb.com/elect/> to FC's Electronic Circuits page.
    >
    > > Gary LaPook wrote:
    > > > I considered that too and I also suspect that such a small heater could
    > > > be made today with solid state controller that would use just a small
    > > > amount of electricity but I wanted to keep it simple, using things
    > > > normally available.
    >
    > > > gl
    >
    > > > Philip wrote:
    > > >> Since it has already been discovered by the list that it is easier to
    > > >> maintain temperatures above ambient, eg. crystal heaters in HF radios,
    > > >> than below, i would suggest a small well insulated box with a
    > > >> thermostatically controlled heater (one or two watts, 12-15v DC?). The
    > > >> Watch could be viewed through a double or triple insulated glass window
    > > >> so as to not disturb the thermal equilibrium.  This would be a nice
    > > >> project not beyond the capabilities of many of us. A couple of LED's to
    > > >> indicate operating temperature and power on and it would be a nice piece
    > > >> of kit to have at the nav station.
    > > >> Philip
    >
    > > >> , 2009-09-20 at 01:40 -0700, Gary LaPook wrote:
    > > >>> So, if the cabin can't be maintained at around 25ºC then an alternate
    > > >>> way to stabilize the watches can be utilized. Simply buy a small
    > > >>> cooler and put the watches and some ice in it and establish their
    > > >>> rates at this cooler temperature, they should be running slow.



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