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    Re: Honesty (was Re: Mercator vs. Great Circle Charts)
    From: Carolyn Seefer
    Date: 2001 Aug 29, 7:36 AM

    In a message dated 8/29/2001 5:26:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
    navsys@pinefields.com writes:
    > Your argument that the
    > course is being taken for personal enrichment (consider what this
    > episode says about that goal) and that "being innovative" in seeking
    > the answers is, to be blunt, little more than poor rationalization.
    I must say that I was stunned by your message. What exactly have I done
    that's wrong here? I'm taking a course in oceanography and am supposed to
    learn about Mercator and great circle charts. I was given a homework
    assignment (NOT a test) that involved plotting coordinates on both types of
    charts using a parallel ruler, determining the latitude and longitude of
    various coordinates, calculating the true directions of various legs, and
    analyzing differences between the two charts. I spent hours yesterday doing
    just that. I also engaged in extensive research on the Web to learn as much
    as I could about these two types of charts and navigation in general. During
    my research, I happened upon your mailing list. I decided to join the list so
    that I could consult with experts in the field to learn even more. I was not
    "using" you to do my homework for me; rather, I was consulting with you to
    verify that I was on the right track.
    I guess that I could have just gone to the lab at the college and asked the
    lab assistants for the answers; after all, that's what most of the students
    in the class will do. And will they learn as much as I have about these
    charts? Absolutely not. I sought out the answers myself, and I've learned so
    much in the process. Mr. Emerson, I did not do the bare minimum to complete
    this assignment; I went way beyond the boundaries of this assignment because
    I want to learn the material. It's a shame that there are individuals like
    you who would try to impede anyone who is trying to learn.
    I am also greatly offended that you attacked my character and my ethics. I
    have been a college business instructor for over 14 years, and I pride myself
    on my abilities in the classroom and on my honesty. Do I teach my students
    ethical behavior? Absolutely! I happen to teach business communications, and
    we cover ethical issues on a daily basis, including plagiarism, how to
    properly cite sources, the importance of avoiding anything misleading when
    writing business documents, the importance of honesty in the job search
    process, ethics of using e-mail at work, etc.
    I also require that my students join mailing lists and newsgroups when
    conducting their research because I find great value in these communication
    tools. I shudder to think that one of my students would be treated as I have
    been on a mailing list.
    I do thank those of you on the list who have provided help. You understand
    what learning is all about.
    Carolyn M. Seefer, MBA
    Instructor, Business Division
    Diablo Valley College
    321 Golf Club Road
    Pleasant Hill, CA 94523
    (925) 685-1230 x306
    (925) 687-6384 (fax)
    "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever."

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