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Re: GPS Accuracy Now.
From: Roger M. Derby
Date: 2000 May 03, 8:36 AM
From: Roger M. Derby
Date: 2000 May 03, 8:36 AM
Rick, What a fascinating speculation. While your scheme of deriving attitude is certainly feasible, you can, with many nines probability, bet that any aircraft you see will be deriving its attitude information with gyroscopes or Mark I eyeball. The gyros are laser based for the exotics and mechanical for we, the economically challenged. (Wouldn't your system need an initialization and integration to detect inverted flight?) Actually, I believe the use of lasers is limited to the navigational systems and that the cockpit displays and autopilot systems are driven by mechanical gyros in most of the "exotics". Under mechanical I'm lumping the spinning weight, the vibrating reed, and the air puff systems. Incidently, aircraft bend more than a few millimeters, so you'd need a rather exotic algorithm to compare nose/tail measurements and or wing tip inputs. In some aircraft the deflection is measured in feet. The problem with absolute altitude information from GPS is that the geoid used isn't sufficiently well correlated to the terrain and/or charts. Except for final approach, altitude is based on pressure measurements and is used to separate aircraft. Thus when aircraft travel into a low pressure area, all of them descend. When leaving the low pressure area, they all climb. A similar deviation occurs flying into an area of cold air. One wouldn't want to have a mixed system in use. One main guiding principle in aircraft design is to avoid any and all single point failures. In my Cessna, for position, I use ADF, dual VORs, DME, ground based radar (as a last resort), and GPS. You can tell, if you take the time to analyse, which one is lying to you, and you should assume that one will be. The DGPS systems in use today are very localized as you say. WAAS is (was?) supposed to provide a more wide spread solution. Its main problem, as I understand it, is detecting out-of-service components and providing flags to the pilot when he needs to switch to an alternate scheme or abandon the approach. My point was that, except for schedule, there is no reason to fly into an area with a ceiling below 200' AGL. A few hours delay is not worth risking your life for. Even if you had a guaranteed system for knowing your position and attitude, there will still be "no fly" areas; e.g., freezing rain, hail, tornados, earthquakes, presidential haircuts, lawn mowers on the runway, etc. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From "Richard B. Emerson"To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: Re: GPS Accuracy Now. > For aircraft, aside from positioning on a flight path, > attitude information is obtained by measuring the phase differences at > the nose, wing tips, tail and so on. In that case, it's not where in > space the parts of the airplane are as where they are relative to each > other. In this setting, millimeter resolution is possible. Anyway, > it's my understanding that GPS-based landing systems are a very > localized version of DGPS. In fact, one of the reasons US GPS landing > systems haven't been embraced by world commercial aviation is who > wants to think their air fleet is tied to the Yankee air pirate > navigation system? By dropping SA, there's some hope that US makers > have a better chance to compete. > > Rick > S/V One With The Wind, Baba 35 >