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    Re: Fatal interaction betweeu yacht and ferry.
    From: Gary LaPook
    Date: 2007 May 07, 10:44 -0700

    Gary wrote:
    
    I read this entire report which was very interesting. What will put the
    fear of god in you is the finding that even with their Davis radar
    reflector mounted, that the probability of detection was still minimal.
    Allot of sailors rely on those things.
    
    I looked at the issue of radar cross section in the past and built my
    own radar reflector. The standard reflector, like the one in this
    incident consists of three mutually perpendicular plates which form 8
    corners so as to reflect radar energy back in the direction that it came
    from, these corners are aligned to cover the horizon. Unfortunately,
    there are deep nulls in the reflective pattern so there are many gaps in
    the pattern.
    
    The Davis reflector on this boat is 12.5 inches in diameter meaning that
    the edge where the plates meet to form each corner is only 6.25 inches.
    Only one of the corners is effective for any particular radar beam so
    the rest of the reflector has no value, the strength of the echo is
    determined by the one corner or "bucket" facing the radar transmitter.
    If you do the calculation for a bucket with a 6.25 inch edge circular
    edge (such as the davis) for x-band radar (9.4 ghz, lambda or wavelength
    of 3.2 cm) you find the radar cross section has a maximum value of  9.7
    meters ^2. If you do the same calculation for an s-band radar (3 ghz,
    10cm wavelength), the kind used by large ships when off soundings,  you
    find only 1.0 meters^2 since the effectiveness of a corner reflector
    varies inversely with the square of the wavelength.
    
    The effectiveness also varies with the shape of the plates and with the
    length of edge where the plates are joined. A corner reflector made of
    plates that are square rather than round, as in the davis, returns an
    echo 2.42 times as strong than the round plates. But the main
    determinant of strength is the length of the edge. The strength of the
    echo varies with the length of the edge to the fourth power. If you
    double the length of the edge you increase the echo 16 times! So if you
    combine these two factors and make a radar reflector with square plates
    that is twice as big you increase the strength of the echo by almost 39
    times. So if you make a reflector that has 12.5 inch buckets the RCS is
    379 meters^2 for an x-band radar and 38.4 at s-band.
    
    O.K. this would be too big to hoist aloft.
    
    So what I decided to do was to make a radar reflector with just one
    bucket that I could aim at any ship that I thought might be a hazard.
    This would be much more effective than shinning a flashlight on the
    sails since it would set off the automatic alarm on the radar scope.  I
    got 3 sheets of aluminum 12 inches square and joined them with two
    hinges so that it can fold flat when not in use. It is a simple matter
    to take it out and unfold it and aim it at the ship. Opened, it is
    slightly smaller than the Davis radar reflector but returns an echo in
    the direction of the radar of 318 meters^2 at x-band and 32.6 meters^2
    at s-band, thirty three (33) times stronger than the standard radar
    reflector.
    
    I haven't been run over yet.
    
    gl
    George Huxtable wrote:
    
    >Fatal interaction between yacht and ferry.
    >
    >There's quite a lot to ponder, in the highly workmanlike report of the UK's
    >Marine Accident Investigation Branch, into the sinking last Summer of the
    >yacht "Ouzo", off the Isle of Wight, resulting in the death of all three
    >aboard her.
    >
    >Go to-
    >
    >http://www.maib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/2007/ouzo.cfm
    >
    >and from that download the fifty-odd page report Ouzo_.pdf at about 1.4 MB.
    >Other options are a short synopsis, and a bulky technical appendix, mainly
    >about photochromic spectacles and radar detection of small craft.
    >
    > The MAIB brief is to find out what happened, and it seems to me they have
    >bent over backward to avoid apportioning blame.
    >
    >The second officer of the P & O ferry, "Pride of Bilbao", is due to stand
    >trial for manslaughter, later this year, as a result.
    >
    >My reaction, and I suspect that of many other sailors, is to think "There,
    >but for the grace of God, go I". And no doubt many ship's officers will,
    >from another viewpoint, think exactly the same, .
    >
    >It surprises me that the master, though he was below at the time, appears
    >not to be bearing any of the responsibilty.
    >
    >I won't comment further, to avoid prejudicing those that prefer to make up
    >their own minds. Read it yourself.
    >
    >George.
    >
    >contact George Huxtable at george---.u-net.com
    >or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222)
    >or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >contact George Huxtable at george---.u-net.com
    >or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222)
    >or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.
    >
    >
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