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    Re: Extremely poor conditions??
    From: Bill B
    Date: 2012 Mar 22, 22:19 -0400

    On 3/22/2012 8:51 PM, Alexandre E Eremenko wrote:
    ....people in swimsuits and swimming. If you can believe that, 10'
    >> ought to be a easy!
    > I very strongly disagree with this statement!
    > For me, it is easier to imagine green men suddenly landing
    > in Norte Dame, than that the dip correction at a sea or a large lake can
    > be positive.
    Alex.  You were at Notre Dame, home of the fighting Irish on Saint
    Patrick's Day (wearin' of the green). The night before ND played in the
    NCAA. Their mascot is a very short student dressed like a Leprechaun in
    all green. As for a landing, if they were flying by visual flight
    reference, they may well have missed Notre Dame totally due to the
    abnormal refraction ;-)
    > The most relevant question for THIS discussion in the following:
    > "Are you 100% sure that your watch showed the same time
    > (I mean MINUTE, not second!) as GPS at any time during our
    > stay on the shore on March 17" ? And if yes, when was this? Before the
    > sunset?"
    I'll reply to the list the same as I just replied to you.
    Alex wrote: Did I understand you correctly that when we were on the
    shore of St Joe,
     > you compared your watch with GPS, and it showed the SAME time as GPS?
     > (Only please do not tell me about leap seconds, I am asking about
     > Can you really be 100% sure that at some moment when we were on the
     > your watch sowed the same time as GPS?
    Bill responded: Anything is possible.  But I do check my watch against
    the "atomic" clock every day or so as my watch runs about 3" a month
    fast. I also check it much less frequently against the GPS.  I have
    NEVER seen it more than 1 second off the GPS, or more than 5 seconds in
    a month or more off my wristwatch.
    I have used it exclusively for AH shots and have never seen any results
    that would suggest a one minute or 10'of an arc difference.
    Unless I compare the clock against the GPS and/or wrist watch every
    moment of every day, I can not be 100% certain. Even if I did, could I
    possibly misread one of those comparisons? Yes.
    My 2 atomic clocks are different brands. I did not repeat the error of
    purchasing the same brand that performed poorly the first time.  Did
    Gregg by (sic) the same brand the second time around, hence the
    possibility of the (same) buggy software?
    BTW, my good clock DOES show signal strength.
    I would ask Greg if the clock eventually corrected itself, and if so
    oevr what period of time?
    Again, Feyman's "Cargo Cult Science." When the planes did not come to
    the islander's makeshift airstrip they could not understand why. Were
    the headphones they fashioned out of coconut shell halves the wrong
    I am certain Gregg had a bad experience with his "atomic" clocks.  I am
    not about to fudge my data based on one person's experience so it comes
    out the way I wanted it to when I have zero evidence of a similar
    occurrence with my equipment.
    End of story!

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