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Re: Exercise Lunar Distance with Mercury
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2009 Sep 23, 18:30 +0100
From: George Huxtable
Date: 2009 Sep 23, 18:30 +0100
Frank wrote, in [9871]- "Mercury has a very small angular semi-diameter --about 5 seconds of arc when favorably placed. Now, in a lunar observation with a planet that has a discernible diameter, you have three choices: place the limb of the planet (only one available) on the Moon's limb, place the geometric center of the planet on the Moon's limb, or place the center of illumination on the Moon's limb. The illuminated limb of Mercury and its geometric center would be separated by about 5 seconds at a favorable appearance, while the center of illumination would fall in between. It would rarely amount to a difference greater than a few seconds of arc. In other words, this difference is safely negligible. =============== George comments- Frank's conclusion about Mercury is correct, but the effects are even smaller than he estimated, because Mercury can be observed only in such special circumstances. Mercury will be seen only when, as in Jeremy's example, it is near maximum elongation from the Sun; in this case, about 26� in angular separation. In which case, its semidiameter will ALWAYS be somewhere near 3.3 arc-seconds. And in those circumstances, it will ALWAYS be about half-illuminated, so the centre-of-light of that D-shape will ALWAYS be displaced from the geometric centre of the planet by a little more than 1 arc-second. And this displacement will ALWAYS be in such a direction as to increase the apparent lunar distance by that amount from its geometric value between centres, which indeed will ALWAYS be measured from the near-limb of the Moon. And the parallax of Mercury, under such conditions, will ALWAYS be somewhere near 8 arc-seconds, just a bit less than that of the Sun. There's so little room for variation of these quantities, it's hardly worthwhile looking them up; they can be taken for granted. Mercury no longer features in the Nautical Almanac, so it's impossible to calculate lunar distance from that source (as Jeremy discovered). My 1864 Almanac, intended for astronomers as well as navigators, provided predictions of Mercury's position, but I doubt if Mercury ever feartured in the lunar-distance predictions, then. Antoine seems to have the advantage of direct contact with the originators of the Paris predictions who, to me, are no more than revered names in Meeus. There's no difficulty, now, in calculating precise predictions of lunar distance from Mercury, or anything else.. =================== Anyway, it's perfectly true, as Frank wrote, that the phase effect on observations of Mercury can be neglected; even at the high level of mathematical precision at which Antoine likes to operate. Antoine asked, in [9876]- "May I ask one question here regarding Lunars with "significantly phase angled planets" (i.e. Venus and Mercury)? Since phase angle can be fully accounted for in Body Coordinates Computation, what would you think of shooting such "Inferior Planets Lunars" through observing this Planet through carefully selecting one of your "opaque" glasses on your sextant (i.e. brightness reducing glass, sorry I do not remember the name of such glasses in English, and I think that you would select the one with the least efficiency if you have one installed), so that it would reduce the ?Planet to a "light pinpoint" ?" I suggest the words he is searching for refer to the sextant's lighter-toned shades. But really, is it possible, with the sort of scope to be found on a sextant, to discern Mercury as any more than a point of light, anyway? To do better must call for remarkably acute vision. But, assuming that it's possible, is the use of a shade going to reduce it from a finite size to a point-source? I would have doubts about that. Anyway, it seems to me that whether Mercury presents itself to the eye as a discernable half-disc or not, the natural thing to do is to place it so that the centre-of-light straddles the Moon's limb. Would it be realistic to expect anything else? George. contact George Huxtable, at george@hux.me.uk or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ NavList message boards: www.fer3.com/arc Or post by email to: NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---