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    Re: Dip
    From: John Brenneise
    Date: 1998 Dec 10, 15:03 EST

    Draw a picture of a cross section of the earth.
    Draw in a line perpendicular to the surface of the earth, with a length
    represent the observer's height.  Then, draw a tangent line to the earth
    passes through the observer's eyes (the end of the line that represents
    his height).
    Draw a line from the center of the earth to the point of tangency.  This
    is the horizon.  Now draw a line from the center of the earth to the
    point where
    the observer is standing.  The angle between these two lines (call it
    theta)  is the
    angular distance away from the horizon.
    If the observer's height is H, and the radius of the earth is R then
    cos(theta) = R/(R+H)
    Go find a freshman physics student and look up R in the front cover of
    textbook (almost all physics textbooks have such information in the
    compute cos(theta) as above and take the inverse cos to get theta, then
    from radians or degrees, depending on the mode of your calculator, to
    Now draw a line tangent to the earth at the point of the observer's
    feet.  Then observe
    the angular difference between the this tangent line and the previous
    line.   This angle is
    the dip angle, and your freshmen physics student will be able to
    complete the drawing and
    show that , phi, (the dip angle, or angle between the two tangents) , is
    equal to theta.
    The difference is likely to be related to refraction, which is left to
    your freshmen physics
    student as an exercise.
    John Brenneise
    Navigatorus Rubus Goldbergitus.emeritus...
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From:	Millard Kirk [SMTP:mkirk@XXX.XXX]
    > Sent:	Wednesday, December 09, 1998 9:27 PM
    > To:	Navigation
    > Subject:	[Nml] Dip
    > 	I have always wanted to know the relationship between these two
    > formulas,
    > or are they related.
    > Distance to visible horizon in nautical miles:
    > D = 1.17 times the square root of the Height,
    >  and
    > Dip of the visible horizon in minutes of arc:
    > D = 0.97 times the square root of the Height.
    > 	One factor gives distance and the other gives degrees.  It has
    > been a long
    > time since I done any proof on formulas.
    > 	Bowditch give the factor of 1.17 for the distance to visible
    > horizon, and
    > "The Calculator Afloat" uses 1.14 for its factor for the same formula.
    > 	Although Bowditch does state that its formula is to the visible
    > horizon,
    > while "The Calculator Afloat" state only to the horizon.  Not
    > visible?????
    > Still...............
    > Learning the Hard Way!!
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