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    Re: Dip Angles from Blue Hill Observatory
    From: Bruce J. Pennino
    Date: 2013 Apr 5, 08:52 -0400
    
    Hello Paul and All:
     
    I was hoping you would review my Blue Hill posting.  I really liked the idea of going to Blue Hill because any small (feet) error in vertical measurements would not be significant (relatively) in the dip angle when I'm 670 ft more or less above sea level. I carefully asked the folks at Blue Hill if the datum was MSL, and they immediately said yes.  I recollect that the 1929 datum was MSL, and I also think there is about 0.75 ft , more or less here in the east with the water going up and shore moving whichever way. I think it is good enough also, but happy you think so.
     
    I 'm glad to learn about the Magellan Promark X, and I'm hoping other List members will provide postings on  hand held equipment that they personally have verified against a known vertical datum. I'd like to buy something that I know works and gives repeatible results. I remember once seeing a hand held device that had output which provided the number of  the satelites "in view".
    This would be a confidence builder.I really don't want to buy an expensive gadget .
     
    For small heights of eye, less than maybe 50 ft or so.....maybe 75 ....., I'm trying to pick sites where I can easily walk down to the water line, or stand on an elevated dock and drop a tape to the surface.  I now have a short prism pole which fits inside an upside down basket/crate  type frame, which I can leave at the water line (one person "dip" surveying most of the time). I then "shoot" the prism with the EDM and know precisely the height of eye/instrument after adding in the height of the prism pole.
     
    My most recent idea is to find sites with  a light house.  I'll post some data later on results from Avery Point on Long Island Sound.
    The lamp is a known height above HW. If I can put my prism pole on the light centerline and get the horizontal distance, I should know my height of eye above HW.  Your opinion?  The old Avery Point "light" is some sort of perforarted device, but I could estimate the center of it probably within 6 inches.  I'll post more of this after I review the data.

    Bruce
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:23 PM
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Dip Angles from Blue Hill Observatory


    Bruce J. Pennino wrote:
    > On April 1, 2013 I went to Blue Hill Observatory near Boston. It is easy to reach and has(had) a National Geodetic Survey Station (Bench Mark BM) on the top of the mountain. I was told there is a clear view to the horizon over Massachusetts Bay to the NE. The BM PID MY 3472 is covered by an 18 " concrete base for a flag pole.
    
    Too bad the mark itself could not be found, as the station has a long
    history. Possibly the copper bolt that marks the station is original
    from 1845.
    
    http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds2.prl?retrieval_type=by_pid&PID=MY3472
    
    Now, about the height. Apparently it wasn't measured very accurately.
    If you search for PID MY3472 (Blue Hill) at the NGS site, the list of
    search hits shows a 1 in the H column (meaning first order horizontal
    station) and blank in the V column. So they don't consider the mark a
    vertical control station. The height determination was incidental to the
    horizontal survey. In this case, the height was computed by adjusting an
    old NGVD 29 vertical datum height, which in turn came from vertical
    angle observations.
    
    C&GS vertical angle procedure was to record six pointings, reversing
    face each time. "It is desirable that these observations be made between
    12:00 noon and 4:00 P.M. since refraction is smaller and more constant
    during that part of the day." Each L/R pair was meaned to yield three
    determinations of zenith distance free of index error. If all three
    agreed within 10 seconds, the observation was complete. Such angles
    would have been observed both ways between Blue Hill and the other
    adjacent stations in the triangulation chain. A tie to a bench mark was
    desirable about every third quadrilateral in the chain.
    
    In other words, vertical angle height determinations at triangulation
    stations were a far cry from geodetic leveling.
    
    Nevertheless, is the height good enough for your purposes? If I had to
    guess, I'd say yes. Just don't think of it as a gold plated value.
    
    If you're really serious, maybe you could rent a GIS data collection GPS
    receiver. (The purchase price would be in the range of a quality
    sextant.) My old Magellan Promark X is repeatable to 1.0 meter RMS
    vertical with a 3 minute observation.
    
    By the way, I know only one way to create an URL like the one above:
    save one in your browser to serve as a prototype. Viewing a datasheet at
    the NGS site doesn't give a usable URL. However, the PID, which is shown
    at the beginning of each line, can be copied and pasted into a prototype
    URL in the obvious place.
    
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