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    Re: Did the Titanic helmsman turn the wrong way?/ OTHER CASES !
    From: Irv Haworth
    Date: 2010 Sep 24, 11:16 -0700

    With all due respect to helmsmen...let me add two stories.
    The Torrey Canyon went aground in part because the helmsman was ordered to
    turn hard to ? , by the Master. He struggled with helm but to no avail,
    turned out it was on auto helm and he did not know how to disengage it
    ...Master finally did ( by pulling a lever over the helmsman's head ) but
    too late.(the helmsman did not know how to disengage the auto helm)
     About 4 years ago I was on a cruise ship that left Puerto Monet and
    ultimately entered the Beagle Channel south bound heading for Cape Horn. (
    Without looking up my notes I note the following.)  At some point we made a
    course change due to a dog leg and we saw a small but British registered
    coastal passenger freighter an old rusted  high and almost dry on a large
    out cropping of rocks off out port hand. Our Master reported the following.
    The freighter had been northbound with a pilot on the bridge, clear WX and
    unlimited visibility,  and approaching the dog leg ordered the helmsman to
    turn to port . The Master who was out on one of the wings , upon hearing the
    pilot's orders , cried out "ALL RIGHT" whereupon the helmsman turned hard to
    starboard .(In other words the Master was just confirming the pilots order
    but the helmsman took it to mean he was overriding the pilots order, and put
    her hard to starboard thereby putting her hard aground. (No lives were lost
    but vessel was a total loss)
    If anyone saw the location as it was/is it would not seem possible that the
    helmsman , with a clear view, would steer  the vessel onto the clearly
    visible rocks...but the Master's Orders are Orders over riding those of the
    pilot
    If needs be I should be able to find  some pictures /names etc. relating to
    this incident.
    73
    Irv Haworth
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: navlist-bounce@fer3.com [mailto:navlist-bounce@fer3.com] On
    Behalf Of Geoffrey Kolbe
    Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:03 PM
    To: NavList@fer3.com
    Subject: [NavList] Re: Did the Titanic helmsman turn the wrong way?
    
    Douglas Denny wrote:
    
    >I simply do NOT believe it. I admit too I find it annoying.
    >
    >A helmsman used to being given instructions days in, days out; hours
    >in, hours out on watch and perfectly used to helming in a particular
    >fashion (whichever way that might be).... suddenly panicking and
    >turning the wrong way? - NO, simply not credible.
    
    Hmm. I think that the "instructions" that our hapless helmsman would
    have been given "day in, day out" would have been of the kind...
    "Steer 295 degrees magnetic". So he turned the wheel until that is
    the heading indicated in the binnacle. But if, in an emergency, he
    was given the instruction, "Hard a-port!" that would - or could -
    have been a quite different sort of instruction, depending on the
    helmsman's background. And could have led to a quite different
    response from the one intended.
    
    Just a thought.
    
    Geoffrey Kolbe.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

       
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