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Re: Dating Caesar's first incursion to Britain
From: Chuck Taylor
Date: 2008 Jul 8, 12:24 -0700
From: Chuck Taylor
Date: 2008 Jul 8, 12:24 -0700
George and others, There are some additional details in the "newsblog" on the Sky and Telescope web site: ----- Original Message ---- > From: George Huxtable> To: NavList@fer3.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:58:07 AM > Subject: [NavList 5740] Dating Caesar's first incursion to Britain > > > > The following message, taken from the Hastro-L (history of astronomy) > mailing list, through a roundabout route, may appeal to those Navlist > members who have recently had enough of celestial navigation. > > This one relates mainly to tidal matters in navigation (so is indirectly, > celestial also). It appeareed a week or so ago > > You need to look at the press release and blog, referred to near the end, to > make much sense of it, but that may be worth doing, if you are interested in > such things. > > From the information available to me to date, I am not very impressed by the > researchers' methodology, but that may be unfair, because I haven't read > the actual article in the August Sky & Telescope, which is probably > available in the US by now. All I have to go on as yet are those web pages. > > Which leads me to a request. If some Navlist member reads Sky & Telescope, > and has access to that August issue, I wonder if he would kindly take a look > at it, and let me know the actual dates and times of those August 2007 > observations that were made at Deal and at Dover. I'm not asking for a scan > of the pages (though wouldn't mind getting one....). > > Here follows the forwarded message. Sorry it's going to be a bit chopped-up. > > George. > > contact George Huxtable at george@huxtable.u-net.com > or at +44 1865 820222 (from UK, 01865 820222) > or at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. > > =========================================== > > THE FOLLOWING RELEASE WAS RECEIVED FROM SKY & TELESCOPE MAGAZINE, IN > CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS, AND IS FORWARDED FOR YOUR INFORMATION. > (FORWARDING DOES NOT IMPLY ENDORSEMENT BY THE AMERICAN ASTRONOMICAL > SOCIETY.) Steve Maran, American Astronomical Society > steve.maran@aas.org 1-202-328-2010 x116 > > Astronomers Re-Date Caesar's Invasion of Britain > > June 30, 2008 > > Contacts: > Donald W. Olson, Department of Physics, Texas State University > 1-512-245-2131 , dolson@txstate.edu > Roger W. Sinnott, Senior Editor, Sky & Telescope > 1-617-864-7360 x2146, rsinnott@skyandtelescope.com > > Researchers from Texas State University have revised the date when > Julius Caesar > invaded Britain in 55 BC, a transformational event in world history. Despite > what most history books state, Caesar could not have landed on August 26-27. > "The English Channel was flowing the wrong way," says team leader Donald W. > Olson, a tide expert. He and fellow professor Russell Doescher, aided by > astronomy honors students Kellie Beicker and Amanda Gregory, reached this > conclusion during an expedition to England's southern coast last summer. > Earlier, Olson had identified August 2007 as rare opportunity to settle the > longstanding dispute among history scholars and scientists concerning > Caesar's > landing. During that month, complex tidal factors involving the Moon and Sun > would unfold in a near-perfect replay of those in August of 55 BC. > "We realized we could go out in a boat and observe the current for > ourselves," > Olson explains. "The year 1901 would have been just as good for this > experiment, but no one noticed." > > According to Olson's team, Caesar's invasion fleet must have arrived four > days > earlier - August 22-23 in 55 BC - to have acquired a suitable northeastward > current. The revised date reconciles an ancient record of a "falling > tide" with > Caesar's own description of the coastline topography as he moved his > fleet along > the white cliffs of Dover. The Texas researchers present their findings in > the August 2008 Sky & Telescope magazine. > > Invasion Fleet Crosses the Channel > When his 100 warships carrying two Roman legions (perhaps 10,000 men) > approached > the white cliffs, Caesar noticed a multitude of javelin-wielding > Celtic warriors > lined up along the ridge and decided to look for a better landing spot. He > ordered his fleet to move along the coast, and after about seven > miles they came to "an open and flat shore." > > But which way did Caesar turn - left or right - and when did he actually set > foot on British soil? For centuries, these two questions have vexed not only > historians, but the residents of coastal towns vying for the claim of > "Caesar was here." > > Caesar mentioned unexpectedly strong tides, a full Moon, and an ocean > current > that changed direction in mid-afternoon. These clues even led famous > astronomers > Edmond Halley and George Airy to weigh in - but they disagreed with > each other's > conclusions. The debate about the date and place of Caesar's landing has > raged ever since. > > The Texas team's revised date, August 22-23, gives Caesar the ocean current > he > needed to maneuver right, proceed seven miles, and land with a > falling tide near > present-day Deal. That's the beach preferred by most historians but > rejected by > tide experts in the past. What's more, a modified reading of Caesar's > reference > to the "night of a full Moon" also leads to the August 22-23 date. > > "The scientists were right about the tidal streams," Olson says, "and so > were > the historians about the landing site. With our new result and our new date, > everything is reconciled." > > "I had a blast watching these guys in action," says Sky & Telescope Senior > Editor Roger Sinnott, who joined the Texas State expedition last summer. > "One > day they were using GPS to measure their small boat's drift off Dover > harbor, > and on another they were tossing apples from the end of the long Deal pier > to > see which way the current went." Sinnott has been Olson's editor on two > dozen > past projects for Sky & Telescope since 1987. > > The Texas researchers have also studied paintings of night scenes by Van > Gogh > and Munch, dated photographs of the Moon by Ansel Adams, and > interpreted cryptic > lines in a Shakespearean play. Closely related to their work on > Caesar is their > earlier research on how the Moon and tides affected the World War II > amphibious > landings on the Pacific atoll of Tarawa and in Normandy on D-day. > > Caesar's historic landing in 55 BC was the Roman Empire's first > excursion north > of France, literally to the fringe of the then-known world. When he > crossed the > English Channel again the following summer with a 10-times-larger > fleet, it was > very much like a D-day in reverse. > > In their Sky & Telescope article, the Texas State researchers think they've > resolved an age-old debate: When and where did Caesar first land in Britain? > > Note to Editors/Producers: Images and a parallel release from Texas State > University are at > http://www.txstate.edu/news/news_releases/news_archive/2008/06/Caesar062308.html > or you may contact press officer Jayme Blaschke at jb71@txstate.edu > > Roger Sinnott's blog relating to this story appears at > http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/21410774.html > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Navigation List archive: www.fer3.com/arc To post, email NavList@fer3.com To , email NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---