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    Re: Compliers for Navigation Software
    From: Phil Guerra
    Date: 2003 Dec 1, 20:53 -0600

    Well, all well and good for you, but wholly unnecessary if you've got no
    worries with MS and upgrades.  Free software and open source are never
    really free or open totally, just like everything else there is a cost,
    maybe not as much for the disks, but your time invested is accountable as
    I've been around computers and programming since, well, I started when all
    you could program in was 1's and 0's.  I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em
    go.  I programmed in COBOL, Fortran, Pascal, C, C++, and BASIC.  I like it,
    and use whatever works best for the project I need to get out the door.
    Personally, I use whatever works without bashing anybody's choice.  As far
    as new technology goes, I'm coding with MS .Net Framework using only an
    editor and the free compilers supplied with the freely available MS Net
    Framework.  I've used Linux and have no trouble with it either.  However,
    98% of my work involves users of MS products, and iexplorer, so that's what
    I use mostly.
    It's like navigation, you use the tools that work for you, when they don't,
    you do it another way.  So, everybody's happy and you get where you want to
    Phil Guerra
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Gordon Talge" 
    Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:39 PM
    Subject: Compliers for Navigation Software
    > I didn't mean to start a "Compiler War" on whose compiler
    > produces the smallest or fastest binaries for the Intel or
    > whatever else cpu.
    > "Free Software" and Operating Systems such as Debian GNU/Linux
    > are a whole  new way, you might say of looking at the world,
    > and has quite a philosophy behind it.
    > Both the "Open Source" and the "Free Software" movements
    > have a lot in common although they have different philosophies,
    > and goals.
    > I switched to GNU/Linux because I got tired of "upgrade-itis".
    > Re-buying everything I already owned all the time.
    > The last time I bought a Microsoft Compiler was Microsoft C 5.1
    > with an upgrade to 6.0. at a cost of $450+
    > I was trying to compile a program and I kept getting a message
    > "Internal Compiler Error" Contact Microsoft. After being on hold
    > for half an hour, their "Tech Support" tried to tell me my program
    > was at fault. That worked until I pointed out that it was an example
    > program that came with their compiler!
    > They kept me on hold for another 15mins and then told me the problem
    > would be fixed in the next upgrade. I asked if I got a free upgrade
    > for pointing out their bug. The answer was no and have a nice day.
    > That was the last time I bought any Microsoft products with the
    > exception of Windows 98SE, because I needed it to transfer work from
    > the school I work at to home and so on.( $200+ )
    > I bought Debian GNU/Linux from
    > http://www.lsl.com ( Linux Systems Lab ) for about $15 and never looked
    > back. No longer was I going to pay major bucks for a proprietary
    > program that I didn't have access to the source code and couldn't
    > get help with.
    > I also got the GNU Software disks from http://www.gnu.org for about
    > $75 or so, and I joined the "Free Software Foundation" as an associate
    > member.
    > Any documents I want to write I use LaTeX or TeX. The programs come
    > with Linux or get the disks from http://www.tug.org. Fantastic programs.
    > Debian GNU/Linux come with almost every computer language you can think
    > of, and it won't cost you an arm or a leg.
    > If you want to know more about the "Free Software" philosophy
    > listen to some of the speeches of Richard Stallman at
    > http://audio-video.gnu.org They are in the "Ogg" format a really
    > cool audio type that rivals MP3.
    > Now I guess, back to Navigation.
    > -- Gordon
    > --
    >                               ,,,
    >                              (. .)
    > +-------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------------------+
    > | Gordon Talge WB6YKK               e-mail: gtalge AT pe.net |
    > | Department of Mathematics      http://www.nlmusd.k12.ca.us |
    > | Norwalk High School                    Norwalk, CA         |
    > | (o-    Debian / GNU / Linux                                |
    > | //\    The Choice of the GNU Generation                    |
    > | v_/_                  .oooO                                |
    > |    - E Aho Laula -     (  )   Oooo. - Wider is Better -    |
    > +-------------------------\ (---(  )-------------------------+
    >                            \_)  ) /
    >                                (_/

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