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Re: Celestial Navigation without a sextant.
From: Frank Reed
Date: 2008 Mar 09, 19:52 -0400
From: Frank Reed
Date: 2008 Mar 09, 19:52 -0400
Peter F, you wrote: "Here's a thought: if the time of apparent sunrise/sunset was observed regularly; the extent of the difference or inaccuracy shown by observation compared to calculated data could be evaluated on a regular basis and contrasted with other information about position." I see where you're going, but as George has already described, the geometric situations only appear to be similar. And the small differences in circumstances are actually large differences. Refraction above three degrees altitude, which is about as low as you can ever observe the stars, is almost completely unaffected by the low level structure of the atmosphere. But refraction right at the horizon can easily be shifted by several minutes of arc in either direction by common changes in the low level temperature profile. The refraction that affects the horizon itself is only dependent on the extreme lowest layer of the atmosphere. I can think of one case where you would have relatively similar refraction circumstances at nearly the same time, and your idea might work. Imagine watching for moonrise right around the time of Full Moon. First we watch the Sun setting... We record the exact time and reduce that to yield a longitude. Then, let's say fifteen minutes later, we observe the Moon just resting on the horizon on the opposite side of the sky (a difficult observation). We reduce that to get a longitude, too. The refraction circumstances should be similar so could we use one "sight" to remove the error in the other? It seems like that should work. The average of the two longitudes should cancel out the highly variable refraction right at the horizon. Or do I have the signs backwards?? -FER --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to NavList@fer3.com To , send email to NavList-@fer3.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---