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    Re: Calculator dunking
    From: Hanno Ix
    Date: 2015 Jun 17, 17:41 -0700
    Frank,

    May I comment as an former EE with plenty of sad experience re testing of electronic equipment in harsh environments?

    Your your experiments are certainly a good scoping test of electronic equipment whose correct operating is not a necessity for survival or health. And this is probably the case of most sailing activity today.

    If, however, a calculator is considered to be part of a survival kit, things change quickly. For a certification of survival equipment all tests would be rather more severe, they  would involve dozens of samples of the model to be tested, the tests would be repeated numerous times and so on. For instance, the dunk test would most likely not be done in water only but also in oil, diesel or cleaning agents and even paint, since those liquids are on board as well.

    In addition, the calculator would be submitted to a series of tests of mechanical rigidity since it could be dropped upon by a heavy tool or a movable equipment or squeezed between a door and the jam or be stepped upon by a human and so on. There are certainly a series of more, and not unlikely, ways to damage the calculator  inadvertently on board. A test of  UV exposure of the display comes to mind. And the calculator would have to live reliably through all of them.

    When this is done and well, there are probably additional  professional agency or legal requirements that need to to be passed. Matters considered there would be content of heavy metals, availability of safe environmental disposal, chemistry of the batteries and the plastic housing, flammability tests, etc etc etc. There may even be import and export regulations!

    I'd venture the hardening of the calculator components and construction for passing all those tests reliably, and the testing itself will cost much more than the development of the calculating electronics rendering the whole thing an expensive device. Just ask someone that actually makes ELTs, strobe lights, or emergency communication equipment.

    I am writing this so anyone considering putting electronic equipment into a bona fide survival kit does not just trust consumer equipment. Ask for certification by a trusted agency. If that doesn't exits find alternative solutions for the problem for which you want the equipment in the first place. For a calculator that might well be pen and paper!

    H

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    In case you should ask:  I am not associated with any manufacturer, licensing agency, professional or legal entity or any other organization with a say about the issues I mentioned.



    On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Frank Reed <NoReply_FrankReed@fer3.com> wrote:

    I have continued my experiments with drowned calculators. That first sacrifice has been submerged three separate times in warm saltwater, and after a few hours it always comes back to life in good working order. I do think that its solar power system has been degraded somewhat. It seems to need somewhat brighter light to become active. 

    The "Casio fx260 solar" in the year 2015 is not the same calculator that was sold under this model name in 2005. The current model is slightly larger overall (about 3% in width and height), has a considerably larger display, a more sensitive solar cell, and a capacitive power backup that will last for about thirty seconds if the lights go out. I realized that I should drown the new model just to be sure that the modifications have not made it more sensitive to water. When I tossed one of the newer calculators in saltwater, I was amazed to discover that I could still work calculations on it while it was submerged in an inch of water. The gaps that allow water in, even around the keys, are small, and it takes a while to get even a small amount of water inside the case. By shaking the calculator underwater, I was eventually able to get it to flood and shut down. Even more so than the model from ten years ago, this calculator does not want to sink. It floats well. So I put a weight in top of it and left it in the water for fifteen minutes...

    After rescuing it from the briny deep, the calculator was still alive. I could work calculations on it, sort of, less than a minute after pulling it from the water and giving it a good shake. However, the display was somewhat garbled. When I entered 45 and hit the sine key, I could see that it was displaying the correct 0.70710678, but if I had not known the number, I really would not have been able to read it. So I shook it out some more, toweled it down, and left it out to dry. After four hours, everything was back to normal. No problems at all.

    I'm now convinced that my initial test was not a fluke or a lucky accident. These calculators are seaworthy. Naturally the smart practice would be to put the calculator inside a transparent zip-lock bag (a sandwich bag) and work the keys through the plastic rather than letting it get wet at all. That's a simple precaution. The point here is that this is a genuinely robust device. I understand why some people worry about more sophisticated, complex electronic devices like smartphones, iPads, and laptops. They're sensitive. But calculators are nothing to worry about, especially one like the fx260 that's solar-powered and cheap, too.

    Frank Reed
    ReedNavigation.com


       
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